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post #1 of 19 Old 05-17-2011, 12:42 PM Thread Starter
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Got my horse back from lease with a few major issues

I gave my young up and coming eventer on lease in january to someone I knew and respected all though the person in question was 15 I truted them with my boy.

However I got him back a few days ago and I have no idea what she has done to him!

Michon was ridden in a rubber snaffle she rode him in the 2nd ring of a 3ring bit and he has gone quite hard with very little feeling in his mouth now he is back in his snaffle. I am hoping by continuing to keep him in a snaffle he will soften up again.
She must not have worked him at all as he is goin around with his head in the air, yesterday it took me over half an hour in walk to get him tracking up and in the correct frame. I will work him back coorectly over time.

Now when I circle he first falls right out behind when corrected he falls in wards its like he has no balance at all no concept of circling. How can I get him going right in his bend again as no matter which you correct he falls out the far side its frustrating. Also when he is corrected he tends to drop onto his forhand and try run on and rocking him back on his hind with half halts is not really working as again his mouth has gone hard, and he is not paying a huge amount of attention to my seat bones.

When asked to halt he tries to pull on then stops dead with his jaw crossed and sticks his head right up like a giraffe. When I asked him to correctly halt through gentle feeling of the rein and sitting deep whilst wrapping my legs around him he starts going backwards and sideways.
How can I get him to halt correcty?

I then tried to jump him to see what other issues I have to deal with. I put up a tiny crosspole and trotted him into it.
He then shoved his head into my face and tried to charge when I asked him to come back he cantered on the spot. Then launched himself over it he tried to bolt after and then jammed to an instant standstill without me touching the reins.

I don't know what to do with my boy im so angry!! I gave him in good faith after watching her ride other horses and him and they seemed to get on great. Npw I don't know my own horse!!

He currently is in a loose ring rubber snaffle with a very loosely adjusted martingale that only comes into effect when he is trying to break my nose. He is out 24-7 with no feed. He came back to me slighly ribbyer then id prefer. He was stabled until 2weeks ago in her yard. Michon is an Irish sports horse who is so sweet and willing. He showed amazing potential before I leased him out (due to time issues) and was due to start hiis first season eventing this summer not going to happen now obviously

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post #2 of 19 Old 05-17-2011, 12:49 PM
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That sounds very frustrating. I don't have specific advice, but from your post you sound like a knowledgeable rider, so I think that you will be able to bring him back. This is just a quick reminder to be really patient. No doubt your boy feels just as confused and frustrated as you, so keep remembering that you must "help" him, that way you won't get angry and let it spill over into the riding.
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post #3 of 19 Old 05-17-2011, 01:40 PM
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You need to start over with groundwork. It sounds like she tried to get him to do things he didn't have the skills to do. Horses often rebel when that happens. Plus it sounds like there are holes in his training that need to be dealt with before moving on. We see lots of messed up horses because of people involving their egos in the training process.
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You need to start over with groundwork. It sounds like she tried to get him to do things he didn't have the skills to do. Horses often rebel when that happens. Plus it sounds like there are holes in his training that need to be dealt with before moving on. We see lots of messed up horses because of people involving their egos in the training process.

Bolded what I am hoping isnt directed at me!

See he went to her as a green horse needing riding I didnt have time and didnt want to see him being laid off for the winter. My intentions were she was to keep him fit and going consisitently for the few months then we would start doing newcomers on him in June and bring him on from there he isnt a baby but he is only just maturing.

Its so frustating as when I sent him he was able to do a clean decent dressage test, could jump a controlled course of 80cm and would do anything cross country.

Now I wont be able to get him eventing until the very end of the season at best or wait till next year die to this jumping issue. What we think she may have done was drive him into the jumps then pull him up rapidly after it. For a horse who has only ever been ridden in snaffles and french links I can assume a hard hand pulling you up in a 3ring is slightly traumatising!
He is very mannerly on the ground alwasy has been.

It is like he is freshly broken by a 12year old child who had no idea. He has no concept what to do with himself any more, no idea of working bending, tracking up, halting,rythym anything

God I am soo frustrated!!!

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my advice will be ground work like really basics, I had a problem with a leased green horse at the barn to it was a torture, in the circle he used to do what you describe, sio we went back into doing it walking, few days latter troting we stop there for weeksss lol before beign able to do it cantering.
If I was able to work back this horse I bet you will to it tooke me 3 months to have him back on jumping cos we leased him and ths rider just frankly ruined him.
When we got him back, you started walking him and he was awsome then if you ask him to trot he will just stop in the middle of the ring for hrs and if you get pushy he will just start rearing over and over again until he gets you down, now he is back jumping lots and lots of ground work once you solve the neck and the circles thgen worry about the jumping.
Ours used to trot to the jum canter the last 3 steps jump and stop completely we had to start making him at least walk, then trot, now when he finishes jumping he tries to stop but if you say cmon he keeps cantering lol, so you have to yell after each jump lol but he jumps.
Its like starting all over with a brand new unbroken horse.
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hope it helps
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But see my problem is not on the ground he is perfect on the ground yields to you and I can make him do as I want he oays attention moves off pressure etc its just vanished from his riding.
He has no rearing or bucking vices at all never has even shown inclination.
Under the saddle its like he has forgotten the complex stuff of what he was thought as in he will circle but it wont be balanced. He wil halt but with a hollow back and if corrected evades and yields back when prevented you ended up with his head up again.
He will jump just not controlled and flowing its very jarred all through.

They are very specific schooling issies he is having atm and I am baffled as to how it went so wrong so fast.
I do appeciate all the help given so far and I do gournd work when I see him everyday as I have electric fences so he must rein back for me and turn on the forehand around the posts with me there before waiting.

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Sometimes an unfit, unused horse held over a period of time when your attention cannot be supplied is better than a horse that has been ruined or ridden by someone that hasn't a clue.

Lesson learned.

The unfit horse can be brought up to snuff very quickly...the other...well...all I can say is start over for you will need to whipe out all that "training" you thought you would get.
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Unfortunately, that's the risk you take when you let someone else use your horse. I wouldn't blame yourself or even the fifteen year old as frustrating as it is. Some horses and riders just don't go well together, she may have had other things on her mind preventing her from riding him as well as she could. That is not an excuse, however, especially since the horse is not hers.

My advice would be to just re school him the best you can. He doesn't sound like a mean horse and you sound like an experienced rider. It'll take time but I think you can bring him around.

Good luck!


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That sucks that she messed up your horse. I tried to half lease my horse once to save money. I watched him quickly untrain my horse with each ride. Now I just eat more Mac & Cheese to make up the financial difference.

Is there any chance that it wasn't all a training thing? Was there possibly an inproper fitting saddle that caused back pain and is now translating into your horse not moving properly?

You just have to see your distance...you don't have to like it.
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