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        11-07-2010, 10:40 PM
      #31
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    Originally Posted by brittabam    
    What's a book you suggest? All this is new to me. Should I smack him with the bat when he tries to bit or kick?
    He must be correted immediately, yes! Ask yourself, would he do this to his momma?

    Check on Clinton Anderson & Dennis Reis, they are western trainers but use Dressage principles. They show good examples of how to teach respect & basic ground manners.
         
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        11-07-2010, 10:50 PM
      #32
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    Originally Posted by brittabam    
    What's a book you suggest? All this is new to me. Should I smack him with the bat when he tries to bit or kick?
    Never use a crop as punishment. Only use it to ask for a little more energy when you are riding. If you use it for punishment the horse may thing he is being punished when you tap him to, for example, canter. Then he might think he is being punished for cantering.
         
        11-07-2010, 10:59 PM
      #33
    Yearling
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    Originally Posted by mom2pride    
    Soft to me means how little pressure it takes from me to encourage a horse to move in the direction I am asking. I always start out light with a cue, and increase in pressure until the horse gives me the SLIGHTEST effort; horses learn from the release of pressure, NOT the pressure itself! In the OP's case, it is the horse shifting his rear away from her, and facing her with two eyes. This is something that has to really be taught in a controlled environment...ie on a 14 ft lead, with a rope halter. You teach the horse to face up by first glancing at his hip and moving toward it...if that doesn't get him to shift then you would twirl your lead rope end toward his hip, to encourage him to move it away, and if that doesn't work you would use the lead rope on his hip lightly, or in increasing pressure, to encourage him to move away. As soon as he moves, you would release all pressure. Some horses are softer than others, meaning they require as little as you glancing in their hip's direction, to start moving away. The TB in this thread is obviously NOT soft at this point...changing his diet may help calm him down, but it won't in my opinion, change his attitude at this point, that needs to come from respect building exercises.
    Yes, what she said!
         
        11-07-2010, 11:14 PM
      #34
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    Originally Posted by Arksly    
    Never use a crop as punishment. Only use it to ask for a little more energy when you are riding. If you use it for punishment the horse may thing he is being punished when you tap him to, for example, canter. Then he might think he is being punished for cantering.
    I've never had a horse become afraid of a tool just because I've used it to thwart nasty behavior; granted I don't "just" use it to discipline the horse...when I use it it is used to encourage movement of some form; so if he's trying to kick me, I'm going to move his hips, if he's trying to bite me, I'm going to move his shoulder, or push his entire body away from me.
    In a case like this, my crop, carrot stick, whatever, would be used to strongly encourage the horse to MOVE out of my space NOW!!!! BUT, I have used my elbow, or crop, or whatever to get a horse to get his face out of my space, and again, they don't become fearful of it...I think it's in the way the equipement is used every single second one is with a horse, and whether there is any release to that pressure...yes, thwacking a horse repeatedly for nipping or kicking, will wind up being counterproductive in the sense that all you're doing is hitting him; ie there's no purpose behind it, but if you're using your tools to achieve a purpose there should be no reason for the horse to confuse the use of it.
         
        11-09-2010, 06:54 AM
      #35
    Foal
    OP until you can get something happening with his attitude, please tie him up out of the way while you clean out. Do not give him the opportunity to pin you in the corner, you may not walk out of it next time.

    You've been given some good names to look up and videos to get. I've seen some of them and there is a lot there to learn:)
         
        11-09-2010, 02:14 PM
      #36
    Yearling
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    Originally Posted by mom2pride    
    I've never had a horse become afraid of a tool just because I've used it to thwart nasty behavior; granted I don't "just" use it to discipline the horse...when I use it it is used to encourage movement of some form; so if he's trying to kick me, I'm going to move his hips, if he's trying to bite me, I'm going to move his shoulder, or push his entire body away from me.
    In a case like this, my crop, carrot stick, whatever, would be used to strongly encourage the horse to MOVE out of my space NOW!!!! BUT, I have used my elbow, or crop, or whatever to get a horse to get his face out of my space, and again, they don't become fearful of it...I think it's in the way the equipement is used every single second one is with a horse, and whether there is any release to that pressure...yes, thwacking a horse repeatedly for nipping or kicking, will wind up being counterproductive in the sense that all you're doing is hitting him; ie there's no purpose behind it, but if you're using your tools to achieve a purpose there should be no reason for the horse to confuse the use of it.
    I understand using it to get your horse to move but some people just hit there horse with it as if they were spanking a child, not trying to get him to move. Sorry if that doesn't make sense.
         

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