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    02-08-2011, 05:12 PM
Originally Posted by mls    
What do you have on her face? Are you riding her with a halter, bit or hack?

Green trainers riding green horses tend to be harsh on the horses face. ANY pressure and the horse will not move forward. Also a lot of young horses have rough gaits. If the rider is bumping too much on their back, they won't move because it bothers them.
I have a bridal on her with a soft bit but I clip the rigns on the halter and I don't pull on her face at all. When she does trot I try to post or 2 point so im not bouncing on her back
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    02-08-2011, 05:25 PM
Originally Posted by shermyj1199    
I have a bridal on her with a soft bit but I clip the rigns on the halter and I don't pull on her face at all. When she does trot I try to post or 2 point so im not bouncing on her back
How does the bridle fit? Do you have the halter over the bridle or vice versa? Metal on metal 'clanks' when the horse moves. Some horses cannot stand the vibration so they will not do anything to cause it.
    02-08-2011, 06:00 PM
Originally Posted by mls    
How does the bridle fit? Do you have the halter over the bridle or vice versa? Metal on metal 'clanks' when the horse moves. Some horses cannot stand the vibration so they will not do anything to cause it.
the halter is under the bridal and I know the bridal fits well...just tight enough so she can't flip her toung over. I havent noticed any clanking but I will watch for that tomorrow when I work her. She's not realy they type to be bothered easily...if you know what I mean....flapping sturrups and dangling straps don't bother her the least and her side reigns some times jingle so I would have a hard time believing that would cause her stubborness. Thanks for the tips!
    02-08-2011, 06:41 PM
By posting and 2 point you might be confusing her and throwing off any balance she may have. Maybe try just sitting the trot and leaving her be when she does what you want
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    02-08-2011, 07:15 PM
Only problem with that is that she's extreamly bouncy at the trot
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    02-11-2011, 08:20 PM
Check your tack, try it bareback, etc.

If all else fails, try this:

For this method you'll need 2 people, if possible.

Get 1 person walking on the horse while the other is standing in the middle of a round pen or holding the horse on a lunge.

The rider applies the leg aid, if that doesnt work to get her to trot, the other uses the lunge whip or whatever to get the horse to trot. Of course your horse needs to be able to trot on the lunge first.

Doesn't matter why your horse trots, whether it be from 1 person, 2 people, lunging or whatever, as long as the horse does trot and you've given your horse aprox. A 3 second ish chance to do it properly off of the leg aid.

As long as you ALWAYS go through the sequence of leg aid, THEN lunge to get the desired response, the horse will associate leg aids with the desired response.

Once you've got that down you won't need to have the 2nd person lunging, provided it was done correctly. When everythings going well the lunger shouldnt be doing anything. But when the horse is dull is the time for the lunger to bring in the whip as a reinforcer.

Once you've got that down entirely i'd reccomend lots of halt-trot/canter transitions (without the 2nd person lunging), for sensitivity to leg aids without requiring a lunger.

This is just one strategy worth trying, there are lots out there. If you need any more details on this or if there's any confusion feel free to PM me
    02-17-2011, 01:12 AM
Wanted to refine what I posted earlier. I go by what I call an "escalating force" method with all of my horses. First, you ask really nicely, say, a nudge with the legs and use a voice command (with a green horse). If nothing happens, kick and cluck. If nothing happens, then go for the whip. If that still doesn't work, keep asking until it does.

It sounds like your horse is still learning to balance with a rider, so that will help. I'm having a bit of the same trouble with canter transitions on a green pony I'm helping a friend get started - she's 3 and only 13.5 hands (and I'm an adult), so we're having trouble picking up the canter without running into it, and keeping it going. But... I think we're making progress, lol.
    02-17-2011, 02:26 AM
I would like to offer you some advice with as much respect,concern,and thoughtfulness as I can without giving you the feeling that I am talking down to you.

This is a very common problem that occurs with young horses and getting them going is not too hard at all.

The goal is to get forward movement and have the young horse confident to carry the rider.
The balance of the horse and ride are key.
The rider is trying to instill a work ethic and a solid set of cues for the gait that they want.

It all comes down to creating impulsion!
I have said this several times before and I may say it a thousand time more.
The job of the handler is to "Inspire" the horse.
The very definition of the word means to influence by example.

What better example than a second horse that can provide the pace for the young horse.

The young horse learns and "Mirrors" the lead horse.
It is totally natural for a young horse to lock on to an older and more seasoned one and look for guidance.

Impulsion is created without force and the idea of movement while carrying a load is learned.
A second rider is there for safety and to help set the speed.

Just a few rides like this a you will find that you have a different horse.

Do not overlook the use of a second horse to pony the young horse also.
This is done in the race horse world and is common in polo also.
It is used with horses being trained for trail and ranch work too.
What is not to like?

Here is a first ride using this method.
    02-17-2011, 05:00 AM
Marecare knows the score.
    02-17-2011, 05:12 AM
Although ponying is wonderful for training, there are some things about it that if you've never done it before you'd want someone to point out any thing you should be careful about, for safety sake.
Also, I don't know if the OP has a second horse to pony from. Dunno.

I think that Elana said it well, and some others too. Get forward movement at walk, don't work in small circles yet and maybe use another horse or human to inspire the hrose to move forward.

Marecare would you like to explain to us any pointers on ponying; I.e Things you don't do (dangerous) and things you do. I would love to learn any tips. I think it's a great thing to know how to do, and I've nver done it. Never had a need to .

green broke, green horse, training, troting

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