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post #11 of 38 Old 09-29-2009, 12:14 AM
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Originally Posted by AussieDaisyGirl View Post
What little comfort I take in your post is that in my defence, she is like that with every handler, not just me, regardless of my presence or not.

You are right, though and I need to step up to the plate.
She's probably always managed to scare everyone then, which doesn't say alot about the trainers in her life. She may just be one tough cookie, who needs a tougher cookie to crack her shell. At any rate, she definitely needs to learn respect, sooner than later.

I wasn't saying that you need to stop working with her, but you need to find someone who is willing to really step up the anty and help Caroline through these issues, and become a better working partner. Because the behaviors are deeply rooted, that may take awhile. If I weren't so far away, I'd come out and give her a try.

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post #12 of 38 Old 09-29-2009, 07:18 AM
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As far as the pulling, I really recommend the Blocker tie rings.

It sounds like, even when she's not frightened, Carolina has just learned that if she doesn't want to stand tied, all she has to do is pull, and either something breaks or you untie her. The Blocker ring will give the same release, except it happens instantly when she gives to the rope pressure, and not when she's broken something. The rings are not terribly expensive, and I use mine all the time on my tie-broke horses for peace of mind. You do need a long lead rope, especially at first, because she may just run backwards for 20 feet. I make my own 25 footers. Lowe's has the best price on bulk rope in my area, but TSC has it as well. Slightly thinner braid can be found at Wal-Mart (don't hold me to it) for something like $16 for a 50 ft coil, if memory serves. Snaps and rope clamps are easy, just be sure to hammer the clamps tight (I like to use 2 clamps, I had a leadrope malfunction once, and now I'm paranoid ), if you have a bench vise, or something to really squeeze on the clamps, so much the better. The only piece of "specialist equipment" I ever need is a blowtorch to melt the end of the rope after it gets cut to length.

WSArabians had a really good idea about getting Carolina to give to halter pressure. Getting her moving away from pressure in general would be really good idea. I personally really like Clinton Anderson's groundwork, as far as finding a detailed plan of attack.

Your mare sounds quite a lot like a gelding I know. He just knows how to throw his weight around, and he's had it proven to him time and again that he's stronger, he's in control. I mess with him every now and again, helping the owners deal with things between trainer visits. He's never won against me, and is fairly respectful for me, but I've also found ways to get respectful responses from him without his getting upset or angry. He can still be a right snot for the owners, but for a combination of reasons, they have a hard time doing what needs done. They do have a pro trainer. Ditto mom2pride; If I weren't so far away, I'd come mess with Carolina myself.

Good luck!

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Thanks for the replies.

Yeh I definitely agree I need someone to help, which is what I'm doing. I'm dreading finding out what it's going to cost but I've committed to Carolina and already gone through a lot to keep her (you wouldn't believe the hours of arguments and tears I went through, hubby wasn't going to let me keep her at all).

The sales barn I got her from when they learned of what levels she was trained to, were going to keep her themselves and compete with her or get her healthy and sell her for a bigger profit. But she was such a handful for them (that's where she tore down the washrack) and they already had 150 other horses, they decided to sell her for what the owners wanted and quick.

In the roundpen or arena, she will do exactly as I ask. She's great! But the stuff before we get there.. yeh not so much fun. She's two different horses. Dr Jekyll and Ms Hyde.

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post #14 of 38 Old 09-29-2009, 06:37 PM
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I pretty much agree w/ WSArabians, EXCEPT for the part about just tying and letting her fight it you, not only has she already flipped herself over(no doubt shell do it again) but she can REALLY hurt herself fighting a solid object... She could at the very least severely strain her muscles or tendons, lose an eye from hitting whatever you tie her to, I've even heard of horses breaking their necks from falling wrong when they are fighting the rope(I had the misfortune to witness it first hand at an auction a few years ago, it was the most terrible thing ive ever seen, the same ignorant theory "just tie em tight and let em learn they cant get loose", yeah and when the horse went to jerk his head up it caught just the right angle and got wrapped in the leadrope and with a sickening "snap!" and "crunch", sure didnt have any fight after that because he DIED!) Ok, ill step off my soapbox....
I would find a knowledgable trainer with EXPERIENCE in SPECIFICALLY the problems you are having, not someone who says they can fix it.
Good luck hon, you are gonna need it with that wreck of a girl you got, and be careful. Let us know how she does!

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post #15 of 38 Old 09-29-2009, 07:59 PM
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You are completely right, Honeysuga. I'm much more from the rope around the elbows until they release the pressure themsevles.
But, worst comes to worst, I'd do it the other way. I'd rather the horse got hurt than the owner, unfortantly.

PS - You should bring her up here! I'd love to work with her. It's been awhile since I had a good challenge! LOL

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the good thing is, it sounds like your mare is smart (she's figured you and several others out quickly right?) my boy is the same way. Once you have the help of a trainer and know exactly what to do and keep with it, you'll be surprised at how fast things come around. My boy and I have had quite a go the last two months since I got him and he is really coming around. He sounds like her too, glory under saddle but hell on earth to get him there (lmao @ washing a cat). How is her EH by the way?
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Since we moved to the new barn I haven't been able to get a new vet out yet to do the treatment. But I noticed these last few days it's not bleeding near as much. I hope it's the cooler weather helping you know? Anyway, soon as I get squared away with the new vet I'm hoping it'll be over soon. Have they done any more exploration yet? I read about a bone flap surgery to repair an EH that wasn't visible on scope. Supposedly they recover better than formalin injection treatment.

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I spoke with the surgeon about the bone flap surgery and he actually prefers to trephine the sinus (drill a hole) and inject with formalin. In his experience they have the same recovery rate and are equally successful, but with trephination you don't have to put them under general anesthesia. Either way, I opted not to do skull x-rays unless symptoms worsen and no bleeding in the last couple of weeks so we'll see. Glad your girl seems to be responding to treatment!
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Awesome! Keeping my fingers crossed for both our horses!

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Reading this tale of woe, I can't help but wonder how you got to own this poor wretched creature?
What plans do you have in mind for her?

Noone over the internet can do anything else but make a few suggestions, perhaps with the benefit of personal hindsight. One has got to see, touch and talk to this girl - if she'll allow a stranger near her.

But you describe some crazy mixed up little cookie who was either born that way or made that way by previous mistreatment. Where did it come from?

She must have been cheap or were you feeling invincible that day you took her on?.

As for me well: just how long have you had the horse?
Don't do anything with it until you start to get a clue as to what makes it tick. Best thing you can do in the short term is to water it, feed it, watch it and wait.
Give it security without hassle. See if it gets bored.

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