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post #21 of 38 Old 09-30-2009, 11:06 AM Thread Starter
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Well her very own tale of woe is that she was competing level four showjumping and second level dressage and doing well apparently. She was sold in 2007/2008 to a foxhunter for $17,500 USD whom competed with her once and dumped her in a field with no food, no vet or farrier care and no human interaction.

Her owner died and the surviving family had an equestrian center/sales barn take her in, 300lbs underweight with a body score of 2, they had 150 other horses and decided they didn't have the time or resources to dedicate to her rehab and put an advertisement online to sell her.

I came across the ad, she was listed for $1500. I drove down to southern Tennessee where the barn was and a girl showed me to the stall they had her in. She was backed into the corner of the darkest stall in the barn, they hadn't cleaned it out in weeks it was disgusting. She was staring out at us like some wild thing.

I got a halter and leadrope and lead her out of the stall, her feet were overgrown and split, she was very skinny, bleeding out of her nose and covered in crap.

I almost just walked away right then. I had dealt with rescues before, half wild nut case horses. When she flipped herself over refusing to get in the trailer, I told them I didn't want her. There was nothing I personally could do.

I handed them back the leadrope and got into my truck and drove the three hours back to the northern side of Tennessee. My husband had a brigade ball to attend that night for celebrating their return from Afghanistan.

We were at the ball in Nashville, TN and my cell rang. They had just dropped Carolina off in my holding pen at my house.

So I was stuck with this horse. When I got home the next morning from the ball, she was standing there in the holding pen watching me. Nose still bleeding, switching her tail and watching everywhere I went.

Surprisingly enough she is better than she was when I first got her. I've had her 5 months, and in the last month moved her twice from Tennessee to one barn in Indiana, where she was being mistreated, to a new barn. We had to move because my husband got stationed here with the army.

She has been taken care of health wise, feet wise and teeth wise. She is sleek and healthy.

I want to compete with her. That's my plan. Maybe not at the level she was at before or that I was at, but that's my end goal.

~CoCo 17hh 4 yo OTTB~
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post #22 of 38 Old 09-30-2009, 11:50 AM
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Im Surprised That After Join Up With Her That She Still Has No Respect For You!
I Was Working At A Racing Yard Durin The Summer And I Had To Take One Of The Horses Who Was Just Getting Used To Being Handled Off The Walker. Now This was a 16.3h 4 yr old hadnt been handled much and was about to be broken in for racing ( i know its old for racing but hes going 2 do steeple chasing so they're older for that). Anyway when i was taking him out of the walker he tried bomb off on me so i litetterly (sp?) dug my heels in and pulled and made him walk into the wall. I turned him in a circle and continued walking. Everytime he tried bull off on me i turned him into the wall were he had no choice but to stop. He soon got the message!

Im sorry i've no advice on what to do for having to be sedated for the vet and farrier.

My horse used to kick out when i cleaned his back hooves so i what I did was a few times a day id pick up his back hooves holding them gradually longer each time and reward him when he didnt kick. Now he lets me pick out his hooves fine!

How's your bond? Can you walk into the stable and stand there petting her without her doing anything?

I personally don't like the idea of hobbling a horse

Good luck and i really hope you get through it!
Id Love if we lived local coz id love to help you with her

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post #23 of 38 Old 09-30-2009, 01:11 PM
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My wife came in, looked over my shoulder and said
"Poor devil, Brilliant outcome, Brave lady.

In our book you are doing well, lady - keep it up.

The horse needs time.
Horses think of time as one day, then one night, then next day. There are no plans, no schedules - just time.

You,ve got to make that horse trust you - if you can achieve that, then the horse will do what you ask it to do
in time.
If it flips the other way - which I severely hope it doesn't then it will be a devil - because it won't trust any human.

A saying comes to mind: "If at first you don't succeed then try and try again" - gently but firmly.

Forgive the horse - it has been moved too often in too short a space of time.

All the best

Barry G

PS Tell your husband, we thank him for putting his neck on the line. We are glad he is back safely.
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post #24 of 38 Old 09-30-2009, 01:37 PM Thread Starter
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I know she's been moved far too much recently. She's had a lot of changes. Which is why I've taken a step back and said ok, we need to breathe for a bit. And I recognise I need help to help her too.

The first few months I had her all I did was groom her, try working on her tying, feed her, hand graze her and lunge her a few times. In fact until we moved herre to Indiana I had only ridden her once.

Thanks for your advice and replies. And thanks about my hubby.

~CoCo 17hh 4 yo OTTB~
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post #25 of 38 Old 09-30-2009, 01:54 PM
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Your story made my eyes water a bit.
I've just been up to put my mare to bed. She was at the gate of her own exclusive field - moaning because I was late - she was the last in.
I led her to her dry, clean stable. I gave her a bucket of
chaff, pasture mix, carrot and apple, I tied her hay up on the hook. She immediately stuck her head in the bucket and ignored me. In the morning I must not be late for her breakfast. Spoilt mare.

But to be fair to her - I can groom her, I can tack her up, I can pick her feet up, I can lead her to the mounting block - all without a lead rope or a head collar. She'll follow me at the shoulder. We can't yet do a Stacey Westfall bareback demo with no reins or bridle but anyway I am too old to try.

Somehow it is a bit unfair that she gets all she needs and your poor horse got such a raw deal. Still I suppose it is the same with people.

Keep us posted with how you get on.

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post #26 of 38 Old 09-30-2009, 02:23 PM
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Im sorry about your mare, its seems she got the raw end of the deal after doing her all. As a human that would be a let down in trust. It will take persistance and patience to get her respect. You really have to keep trying, and Im speaking from experience where that is concerned. My TWH came from a neglectful owner who lied about his whole history, and even though now he trusts me I feel he wonders the next time I load him in a trailer will he not return to our place. He spent 8 years in one home, taken care of, and then sold to a so called good family who promised to take care of him, and they didnt. They totally tramatized him and I will never really know what happened there, but I am making up for it, hes getting spoiled, but in a good way. Cochise, my paint gelding, really likes to push my buttons, which I do give him some leeway, but not the kind that results in getting hurt. Its just his personality, but he knows when I mean business. I think a big part is letting her get in a consistant routine/enviroment, and just showing her what you want and not giving up. Snap my walker, would just irritate me to the point I was ready to give up...but when I look in his eyes I knew it was because he was in a place I couldnt understand. There were alot of good suggestions on here, just dont give up...she has had alot of one time she was obviously well taken care of/top of her game and from that point on has probably wondered what she did to deserve where she ended up. Does that make sense? Its almost like she doesnt care how she acts because life just didnt get any better...but she needs time to adjust to you now.
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post #27 of 38 Old 09-30-2009, 07:19 PM Thread Starter
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Thanks both for being understanding and not tearing me to shreds.

We had a good day today. She came trotting to the fence when she saw me. She didn't kick out when I went to pick up her feet though she did still dance around a bit. I had her tied in a washrack and she snapped the leads twice but the barn owner/trainer just retied them and was calm with her the whole time.

I wasn't going to have a lesson today but I took Carolina into the arena and the trainer ended up giving me a lesson. Trying to get Carolina on the bit and rounded out. Every muscle in my body aches. But I did learn that Carolina is so sensitive to my body weight I can guide her by just looking where I want to go. It was amazing.

Anyway, I'm not so discouraged today.

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I didn't know the story behind your mare. You are quite a hero in my book. Mares are so sensitive, I think when she finally comes around and the bond between you grows, you will have a friend for life in her. I already know that she gets the best of vet care with you and I have no doubt in every other area as well. Glad you're not feeling as frustrated today, hope every day forward is just a little better than the last, before you know it you two will really be coming together.
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post #29 of 38 Old 09-30-2009, 11:41 PM Thread Starter
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Thanks. I'm doing my best with her. Moving her to this new barn was the best choice too. The trainer/barn owner is much more supportive and Carolina doesn't want for anything.

~CoCo 17hh 4 yo OTTB~
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Glad you're feeling a bit better! And it does help to have a very supportive trainer/barn owner.

"The ideal horseman has the courage of a lion, the patience of a saint, and the hands of a woman..."
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