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        10-01-2009, 03:25 AM
      #31
    Weanling
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    In the roundpen or arena, she will do exactly as I ask. She's great! But the stuff before we get there.. yeh not so much fun. She's two different horses. Dr Jekyll and Ms Hyde.
    Have you ever tried working on her ground manners in the round pen? For example, to help to teach her to be tied, you could wrap (not tie) her lead around a rail of the fence in the round pen. Then you could just act like you expect her to stand there - be calm, and portray confidence. Take some grooming tools out there and brush her with a nice soft brush. Talk to her, maybe even give her a treat if she's standing well...make it pleasant to just stand there and be loved on. But if she were to spook and pull back, she would be free (so you wouldn't risk a flip). In fact, I would suggest lunging her first, and getting her in a calm, working frame of mind before moving on to other exercises. My point being, if she’s comfortable in there, you can use that to your advantage.

    If she figures out that pulling back sets her free, lunge her some more. Make it obvious that the wrong behavior does not let her stop working. Then try tying her again.



    I hope this helps! Good luck with her!
         
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        10-01-2009, 04:58 AM
      #32
    Weanling
    First of all, you're a saint for helping her. My mother was actively involved in horse rescue and our first little mare took three years to be able to catch without literally wrestling her into a halter. She needed tranquilizer for everything. Teeth, feet etc. And every well known horse person in our area didn't have any better luck with her either. She flipped over when trying to trailer... that is if you could get her near one. She dragged you left right and center. Pretty strong for a 14hh Arabian. You'd see her going at full speed with a 200+ man on the end of her lead rope.

    Shaddy needed time to settle down. She ended up turning into the most sane, dependable riding horse and now you'd let a little kid swing off her tail or nap under her feet.

    Your mare sounds like my girl. Shaddy has taken down stall doors because she was afraid of being stalled!

    An exercise I do with all horses that hate tying is teaching them first to stand still. If the horse doesn't know how to stand still untied it's not going to stand still when you tie it to something. It also helps establish personal space. Simply take a few steps away from her and keep her away from you. If she insists on coming close or moving from where you put her, put her back. Reward for any small, tiny improvement.

    Good luck. Hope you can get a pro to come out and help you and your lady out. She'll be so much happier when she isn't on edge all the time. Shaddy is and is it ever rewarding to see peace in her eyes.
         
        10-01-2009, 09:45 AM
      #33
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    Genevieve
    If she was once so good, then hopefully with some
    T(tender) L(loving) C (care) she will be again.

    The clue for me was when you said you could ride her easily enough but that she was difficult on the ground.

    Success will be your reward.

    Be gentle with the "going on the bit" - not too much until she is fit again - her back muscles may have softened during her down period. Daily yes, but build her up slowly but surely.

    Barry

    I wrote a new thread today (I am my horse's gaoler/ Horse Training) - your plight was the trigger of my thought process.
         
        10-01-2009, 02:09 PM
      #34
    Trained
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by AussieDaisyGirl    
    Thanks both for being understanding and not tearing me to shreds.

    We had a good day today. She came trotting to the fence when she saw me. She didn't kick out when I went to pick up her feet though she did still dance around a bit. I had her tied in a washrack and she snapped the leads twice but the barn owner/trainer just retied them and was calm with her the whole time.

    I wasn't going to have a lesson today but I took Carolina into the arena and the trainer ended up giving me a lesson. Trying to get Carolina on the bit and rounded out. Every muscle in my body aches. But I did learn that Carolina is so sensitive to my body weight I can guide her by just looking where I want to go. It was amazing.

    Anyway, I'm not so discouraged today.
    That's great to hear!
    I know sometime's it can be so discouraging to spend so many hours and seeming to have no results. But sometimes we just don't see them right away.
    A simple twitch of the ear could mean to so much, yet we don't see it.

    Another suggestion, if I may. I don't know your schedule so I don't know if you will have the time, but something I used to do when rehabiliting horses is too just take a book and chair out there, or sit in the grass, and completely ingnore the horse while I read.
    It just gives her a sense of a herd connection and allows her to spend some relaxing time with you, without any work and anyone doing any strenous thinking.
    It's a great way to connect with a horse on it's own natural level. :)
         
        10-02-2009, 03:24 PM
      #35
    Yearling
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by WSArabians    
    That's great to hear!
    I know sometime's it can be so discouraging to spend so many hours and seeming to have no results. But sometimes we just don't see them right away.
    A simple twitch of the ear could mean to so much, yet we don't see it.

    Another suggestion, if I may. I don't know your schedule so I don't know if you will have the time, but something I used to do when rehabiliting horses is too just take a book and chair out there, or sit in the grass, and completely ingnore the horse while I read.
    It just gives her a sense of a herd connection and allows her to spend some relaxing time with you, without any work and anyone doing any strenous thinking.
    It's a great way to connect with a horse on it's own natural level. :)

    I did this today. Streak freaked out that his buddy was gone and wanted out but I sat by his door and he calmed down after about a 10 min hissy fit.
         
        10-04-2009, 03:47 AM
      #36
    Yearling
    Genevieve,

    Things keep moving forward with my boy and hopefully with Carolina as well! I definitely agree with WSArabians on the 'quality time'. This last week I had the flu and couldn't ride much but still went out every day to bring the boy his beet pulp and to just say hello and give him a scratch and hang out a bit in the paddock. Today when I went to collect him, he whinnied to me for the very first time ever. Two things you can never give a horse enough of; time and patience!!

    -mb
         
        10-04-2009, 11:05 AM
      #37
    Foal
    My gelding was like this when I got him but the best thing I ever brought for him was a be kind halter and still to this day I use it he still isnt good with the farrier but with the be kind halter he stood still in the end to have his feet done after hed trown himself to the ground a few times its 20 pounds and very worth the money I swear by it as it works on the pressure points on the head
         
        10-04-2009, 12:33 PM
      #38
    Green Broke
    Don't tie a rope around her and expect her to give in. The cowboy that broke my warmblood did that and she ended up with broken withers
         

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