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  • Is horse being disrespectful if they kick out at you when free lunging
  • What is the difference between free lunging and turning out

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    11-24-2012, 12:23 AM
  #11
Yearling
OP, when he turns his butt to you in the stall, throw the halter and lead at his rump, keeping one end in your hand to pull it back. He will move away at first, so throw again and again till he turns to face you. Then praise him.
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    11-24-2012, 12:41 AM
  #12
Trained
I also kindly disagree with the amount of respect you can gain through offline work. However, it's how you go through with it, that determines the amount of respect you will gain. I watch people at my stable have less respect from their horses on lead than I do from my mare off lead. However, I have spent oodles of time working off and on lead with my girl to earn that respect and trust, too. It doesn't just come, it takes work. I love Clinton Anderson and Chris Cox both, Stacey Westfall has good stuff too. There are lots of good trainers to choose from.

If your horse turns with hip toward you, just immediately send him back in the direction he came from; and make him move his feet a little more. I had the same problem with my mare for quite awhile; she wasn't consistent in turning toward me, so I had to do that sort of thing for awhile. I would just get on her tail, and turn her a bunch, and make her hustle her feet; when ever she would turn correctly, I would allow her to slow down a bit. It woke her up, and made her pay attention more, and also helped her figure out that when she turned correctly I left her alone, meaning that was the answer I was looking for.

As far as yielding his hips, either use a small crop, or the end of your lead to signal him to move his hip over. Start by simply moving in toward his hip, keeping his nose tipped toward you as you do so (so he can't swing his hip into you, he has to swing away), If he doesn't move by 'suggestion', start lightly tapping his rear, and continue to tap until he yields the hind end away. Make sure it is a 'true yield' of the hind quarter as well, by watching to see that the hind foot nearest to you, moves across the opposite hind foot. Start out small...one step away, and stop and praise (I just rub the horse). Always work both sides of the horse.
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    11-24-2012, 02:01 AM
  #13
Foal
I like Clinton Anderson a lot! I watch his show weekly as well as Parelli (sp). I take a little bit of info from everyone and do what works best for Koby. I love reading everyone's advice and input of free lunging. It is interesting reading different perspectives. I believe that free lunging is a great way to get control of a horses feet without touching the horse. Sometimes that causes stress for a horse that isn't used to human contact so it is a great way to show the horse who is the leader ( who controls his feet ). May I add that there is a huge difference between flinging the wip around and having your horse run like mad around the arena, and actually working on haunch turns and rollbacks and things. Getting control of a horses feet is the most important thing when it comes to training and safety on the ground and under saddle IMO.
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    11-24-2012, 02:26 AM
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Showing
Take your lunge whip with you to enter his stall. When he turns his rump, begin rhythmic taps on the top of his hip. Think of a little brother annoyingly tapping your arm for attention. The moment he begins to move his hiney away stop tapping and immediately lower it. Be sure to remain out of kicking distance. He will learn to keep his hiney away from you if he wants to avoid the tapping. Remember, low energy.
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    11-24-2012, 03:23 AM
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Foal
That's a good idea! I like the lunge whipidea because I don't have to get within kicking distance lol.
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    11-24-2012, 02:53 PM
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Weanling
I think there is a place for both. I start out free so the horse has a chance to stretch out, do a little kick or buck if they feel well. I especially like to free lunge if doing canter work so they can make a bigger circle. It is easier on thier legs. I use a lunge line for sending, which is back and forth in front of the person rather than around them and I use it to teach backing, and stop.
     
    11-24-2012, 05:16 PM
  #17
Green Broke
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Take your lunge whip with you to enter his stall. When he turns his rump, begin rhythmic taps on the top of his hip. Think of a little brother annoyingly tapping your arm for attention. The moment he begins to move his hiney away stop tapping and immediately lower it. Be sure to remain out of kicking distance. He will learn to keep his hiney away from you if he wants to avoid the tapping. Remember, low energy.
Depending on whether the horse is turning away in fear or turning to be disrespectful. If the horse gets dancy like trying to get away, I might try the tapping. If the horse is just being disrespectful, I wouldn't hesitate to give one big, firm whack. You want to make in known right now that that behavior is not tolerated point blank. You just need to be aware that the horse may kick out because of it. I would try to keep a safe distance but another bigger whack would be in store.
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