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  • Moving from tom thum to hackamore
  • Alternative to mechanical hackamore

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    10-13-2011, 10:51 PM
  #11
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While it was none of the lady's business, quite honestly, I hate both mechanical hackamores and Tom Thumbs. There are far better bitless alternatives and shanked bits, respectively, to use a piece of equipment that's fairly harsh and has little finesse.
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    10-14-2011, 03:51 AM
  #12
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Originally Posted by bubba13    
While it was none of the lady's business, quite honestly, I hate both mechanical hackamores and Tom Thumbs. There are far better bitless alternatives and shanked bits, respectively, to use a piece of equipment that's fairly harsh and has little finesse.

As long as you don't hate or look down on the people who use them then that is fine

Hate is a strong word though

Mack is a trail horse - no dressage - no roping - no barrels - just hacking, journeying and a bit of timber extraction is all

I think that harshness is in the hands

Its is not what the hackamore can do - it is what the rider does with it.

Having filmed myself climbing aboard did make me realise that when getting up I gave him a bit of yank in the mouth and have now changed the way I get aboard

It was an intereesting excercise filming myself - most enlightening.

Having said that..... we have been together for nearly two decades and he seems pretty well balanced and comfortable with himself and with me

A few years ago I did try him in a snaffle - just to see what would happen

Not surprisingly he did not like it much.

I filmed this man at a Ranch Rodeo in Abilene



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    10-14-2011, 02:22 PM
  #13
Green Broke
I think the lady was out of line. You have been doing this 18 years w/o an issue and so you just go on doing what you are doing.

That being said, I am not in favor of mechanical hackamores or tom thumb bits either. (I would not jump out of my car and rip into you for using one unless you were hauling on the horse with it and abusing the animal)

I prefer a rawhide core Bosal and Mecate or a side pull for bitless work. For bit work I start in a sweet iron loose ring snaffle and then work into an egg butt or D ring or Full Cheek snaffle. If I am going to go western forever I go from the sweet iron bit to a shanked curb with a low port and a FLAT curb chain. For English I work up to a Full Bridle.

By the time I am in the Western shanked bit the horse is working on a very light contact anyway.. and is moving off the indirect rein with the lightest touch so the shanks really just allow me to keep the contact light. Shank bits with a curb chain are the last step in refined training.

But that is me.
     
    10-14-2011, 02:26 PM
  #14
Green Broke
FWIW when you are working livestock, the livestock is the focus (NOT the horse). The horse (or dog if you use one) is a tool to handle the cattle. The cattle represent income.

The horse represents a tool to get the work done. That tool can either be a good tool or various degrees of less good.
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    10-14-2011, 02:38 PM
  #15
Showing
I always used a mechanical hack on the trail, for the same reasons you do and it worked for 23 years. I think he read my mind because I seldom even took the slack out of the reins.
     
    10-14-2011, 04:47 PM
  #16
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Originally Posted by dylan winter    

I filmed this man at a Ranch Rodeo in Abilene

light hands? - YouTube
Have you ever been to a cutting?

     
    10-14-2011, 08:27 PM
  #17
Weanling
Horse people I have found can be the craziest people out there :)!!

Personally my arab mare Lady rides best in a hackamore. She hates being ridden in a bit. I actually have fairly light hands (luckily as with my current potato sack body my horse would hate me) but she wanted nothing to do with the snaffle. Put on a simple English hackamore and she was good as gold.
     

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