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post #1 of 12 Old 03-07-2012, 11:01 AM Thread Starter
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Hackamore trained horse going to bit.

My paso fino has never been bitted before last Sunday. I put him in a loose ring snaffle. I just wasn't getting the results I wanted from the english hackamore. He was pretty much ignoring me. He was chewing the bit the entire time it was in. I didn't ride him around just walked around the corral with him. Didn't want to shock him too much all at once. Still, chew chew chew. He's a mouthy horse to begin with. If it gets close to his mouth he'll chew on it, doesn't matter what it is. I just didn't feel like chewing the bit was particularly good for him. How can I get him to stop?

Yes I'm signed up for training and lessons in April. Till then I'm on my own and am looking for good advice.
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post #2 of 12 Old 03-07-2012, 11:56 AM
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Is it the right size? Standard size is 5 inches but that could be too big/small for your horse. Also how loose was the headstall? If the bit is sitting too low they will mouth it as it's in the way.
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I also would wonder about whether or not your bridle and bit are correctly fitted. I recently started my four year old mare with no bridle experience in a half cheek, and she was constantly chewing on her bit. I assumed that it was inexperience and that she's settle down, but two weeks later she was still chewing. Had my trainer take a look at it, and not only was the bit too big for her (by 1/4 of an inch. You wouldn't think that would make a difference but it does) but I had it fitted too low, and it was touching her teeth every time that she moved her mouth. Make sure that is IS fitted right on every part (browband, bit, cheekpieces, throatlatch etc) and if it isn't, alter it until it is. If it's bothering him you can very easily sour him to the bit, and that takes a long time to correct.

If it's fitted right and he's still chewing, I'd try a different kind of bit. Different horses work better with different bits. He might prefer something fuller, or with/without joints. There are also different types of metal that you can choose from, anywhere from german silver to copper or stainless steel. It's just going to take some experimentation, and he may never be perfectly quiet with his mouth. Some just like to chomp. If he does though, its even more important to make sure that he's fitted well and is floated regularely to keep him from wearing down his teeth painfully or catching himself with it.

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I hope this doesn't come off sounding rude, as I certainly don't intend that...but, I'm curious. In the thread title you say "hackamore trained" and then you say you aren't getting the results you want and so want to bit the horse. Is the horse really trained for the hackamore or was that just a loose term? If he/she is trained and responds to the hackamore normally, I would wonder if something else has changed. Excluding all possible pain issues first of course, could it be that you are asking something different of the horse and perhaps the communication is not entirely clear yet? Could it also be that the two of you need to work on some respect issues and the horse is just challenging you a little?
I suppose a core question in my mind is do you really want to go to bitting the horse or are you trying to "bit" over some training holes?
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IMO I would take an old headstall with JUST THE BIT, and let him sit in his stall with it for several hours at a time. IF the bit is the right size~
How to Fit a Snaffle Bit | eHow.com
he may just need time to adjust to it. There is a current trend that believes bits are wrong, and maybe the trainer never introduced one to your horse. His reaction sounds like a 2 yo being bitted for the first time.
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If he's never been bitted then you can't just put a bit in and expect him to just stand there and do nothing.

All he's doing is mouthing it and that's not a bad thing at all. Indeed it's a good thing.

You might find this helpful:

Mouthing and Bitting - Old Fashioned Equitation Advice

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I read your post Hoopla, and I agree. I guess I just wanted to point out what YOU did
http://www.horseforum.com/horse-trai...8/#post1396344
that the bit isn't the problem.
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I'm starting to realize that he is one of those gentle horses that may never have been broken. I don't think he quite knows what I want him to do. He trys but he just isn't getting it. He's never been lunged or at least he doesn't know how. I've been trying to teach him but it's been slow going.
I just feel like a bit would give me a bit more control and him a bit more guidance.
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I hope this doesn't come off sounding rude, as I certainly don't intend that...but, I'm curious. In the thread title you say "hackamore trained" and then you say you aren't getting the results you want and so want to bit the horse. Is the horse really trained for the hackamore or was that just a loose term? If he/she is trained and responds to the hackamore normally, I would wonder if something else has changed. Excluding all possible pain issues first of course, could it be that you are asking something different of the horse and perhaps the communication is not entirely clear yet? Could it also be that the two of you need to work on some respect issues and the horse is just challenging you a little?
I suppose a core question in my mind is do you really want to go to bitting the horse or are you trying to "bit" over some training holes?
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I'm starting to realize that he is one of those gentle horses that may never have been broken. I don't think he quite knows what I want him to do. He trys but he just isn't getting it. He's never been lunged or at least he doesn't know how. I've been trying to teach him but it's been slow going.
I just feel like a bit would give me a bit more control and him a bit more guidance.
You can't expect him to know if he's never been properly taught.

Now I'm not particularly talking about bits and please don't mistake me for a fan of the hackamore. I'm not.

I mean generally.

You really can't just stick a bit in a horses mouth on Sunday and then by Wednesday be on a forum 'complaining' that he doesn't know what to do.

You need to give him time and let him learn.

BUT you need to know what you're doing and I'm going to be brutally honest here. The fact you're posting to 'complain' he's doing what he should be doing when he's first bitted i.e. mouthing and chewing on it, makes me think you really are best advised to elicit the help of a trainer to work with your horse and you and to help you to help him.
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We are going to the trainers in April. I've never ridden a horse that mouthed the bit before. It was his first time. I wrongly assumed it was abnormal. I wouldn't say I was complaining, seeking direction is what I thought I was doing.
I haven't ridden him at all with a bit. Just seeking guidance until I can see a professional.
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You can't expect him to know if he's never been properly taught.

Now I'm not particularly talking about bits and please don't mistake me for a fan of the hackamore. I'm not.

I mean generally.

You really can't just stick a bit in a horses mouth on Sunday and then by Wednesday be on a forum 'complaining' that he doesn't know what to do.

You need to give him time and let him learn.

BUT you need to know what you're doing and I'm going to be brutally honest here. The fact you're posting to 'complain' he's doing what he should be doing when he's first bitted i.e. mouthing and chewing on it, makes me think you really are best advised to elicit the help of a trainer to work with your horse and you and to help you to help him.
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