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        04-19-2013, 05:18 PM
      #11
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    I would carry on as you are. Halter him, bring him in and give him a couple of carrots in a feed bowl then put him out.
    He realises the walking doesn't get him anything. A small reward for being caught and taken out might just speed up the process.

    I agree that he does not see you as leader.

    Also take him on trail rides - far more interesting than arena work.
         
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        04-19-2013, 05:23 PM
      #12
    Foal
    Saddlebag - Thank you so much for your advice. This is not something I have tried or atleast not in this exact order. I really appreciate the detail in your response and I am anxious to try this. Does it matter if the other gelding is in the field with him? This other gelding is very laid back, 16 years olds, loves attention but doesn't bug me for it unless I go up to him. I think he should leave me alone. The only problem I have sometimes is that my horse will get behind this horse and push him to run around in a way of avoiding me. I guess if he does this I can just more him to the other pasture.

    Thank you again, I will let you know how it does.

    Any idea why he as started to do this? It is like he has lost respect for me but I am not sure what I did...or maybe didn't do? As a human it is hard to not let emotions get in the way. Although I know he is just a horse I can't help but have hurt feelings. I have never had a close bond with a horse that then decides he doesn't want that close bond anymore...super confusing.
         
        04-19-2013, 05:27 PM
      #13
    Foal
    Another piece to the puzzle....I NEVER go out to the field and leave without catching him. I have been out in the dark before but I never stop until I actually catch him.

    Most horses I have had start to realise that and give up. With him it is like it doesn't matter, he will avoid me just as much the next time.
         
        04-19-2013, 05:57 PM
      #14
    Showing
    Abbi, the lesson the horse learns is more effective if he is in with another horse. The other horse may just hang around because you are not paying any attention to him. He has used the other horse as a shield when you were close. Because you are making a wide arc and not looking at him he'll hold his ground to see what you are up to. They are innately curious and he may even start to follow.
         
        04-21-2013, 02:26 AM
      #15
    Foal
    Abbi, I feel your pain! My mare does the exact same thing. I've had her for a year now, and she is the biggest pain to catch. She would do the same thing your gelding is doing. She would hide behind other horses, make them move, use them as a shield. It could take hours to catch her. No trick of the trade ever worked. I tried catching, give a treat, then release her. I tried keeping her moving until she decided it was easier just being caught (although this seemed to make it more difficult to catch her). I would go out with no work agenda a couple times a week, hoping to ease her mind of work. The other days were actually light riding and hacking days.
    After moving her to a new farm, I was hoping she would be different. It only took about a couple weeks to prove me wrong. The barn trainer had to come help me catch her one day and it was his decision to put her in a small dirt paddock by herself from now on. I haven't had a problem since she's been in the paddock. She actually comes to me when she sees me.
    So maybe, take some privileges away, see what happens.
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        04-21-2013, 02:47 AM
      #16
    Started
    Try going into the field without the goal of catching him. He knows that's your goal. Instead, try making your goal something smaller. Like, say trying to pet him in the field. One idea I have is.. Horses do not need us to survive, they need food and water. So if you have hay in the pasture, go stand in/next to the hay so he has to come to you to eat it. It may take an hour before he goes to it, it may take two, but the most important thing to do is don't give up and walk away until he goes to it or you. When he comes near, act as if he's not there. It should spark curiosity and he may come to sniff you. When he does still act as if he isn't there. When he doesn't move away after doing so, reach your hand towards him and stop before he goes to move off. Also, reach your hand towards his nose, palm down. It simulates the way horses greet eachother. If he touches your hand when sniffing it, it's his way of saying you have permission to touch him. Then you can start moving towards him.
    And personally once I'm able to pet him without him going away, I'd pet him for a bit, then leave the field for a while. It will completely blow his mind, and he'll think about what happened. Also, you may need to do this more than once.
    Also, if you don't have hay in the field, water works just as well (although may take longer depending on his thirst)
    I hope this helps :)
         
        04-21-2013, 08:11 AM
      #17
    Weanling
    If you can't catch him, or he wont come, don't feed him that night, he may start figering out if he doesnt come he don't eat,
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        04-21-2013, 08:12 AM
      #18
    Weanling
    And some horses may see it as a game of chase esp if bribery
         
        04-21-2013, 08:34 AM
      #19
    Showing
    Abbi, he started doing this because horses test each other and people. It's just part of their nature. The other day I was scratching one particular horse and he began to turn away (no halter or rope) so I began to move him away. He was reluctant to keep going so I stopped, backed up to my spot and he came with me. In those few seconds of moving him away I had reestablished my leadership. He didn't go even a full horse length. It was a small reinforcement with a huge effect.
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        04-21-2013, 08:43 AM
      #20
    Weanling
    Round pen work does wonders for this sort of behavior.
         

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