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    09-12-2010, 07:56 AM
  #1
Foal
hard mouthed or unresponsive?

My horse is gorgeous. I love him to bits but I just canít get him to stop. Iíll give you a bit of background (or at least what I know). Lopez was a station horse; he was used to round up cows and what not. After that he was bought by a not very experienced man and used for trails and now I own him.


I donít know what to do. I currently donít have lessons (I will be getting them once every few weeks soon) and have no one to giving me their expert opinion. Someone suggested a different bit, and left it at that.
I donít really know what to do. I think that perhaps his training or something wasnít the best because he just doesnít understand how to stop.


Walking
Okay. So he walks fine on the loose rein and what not. But as soon as I ask him to stop heíll slowly slow down before stopping. As soon as I release heíll take another one or two steps before stopping again.


Trotting
Impossible to trot on a loose rein as he instantly goes fast. Itís not to bad but if I release slightly heíll hoon off. Iíve only just manged to keep him at a steady pace.


Cantering/Galloping
Well. This is where it really kicks in. Getting Lopez back DOWN from a canter is so hard. He just doesnít seem to respond. Iíll put pressure on with my legs and pull gently on the reins and its like thereís nothing there.

I just donít know what to do! Can you guys give me any tips?
     
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    09-12-2010, 09:16 AM
  #2
Green Broke
Well, I never pull back on the reins and put pressure with my legs.. maybe he's confused when you do that?

And when at a walk if he takes a step after you tell him to stop, immediatly ask him to back up.
     
    09-12-2010, 11:30 AM
  #3
Foal
I agree with Ray about confusing him. You are giving him the go and stop signal at the same time. But until you have him completely under control I wouldn't let him canter. These are just my opinions though. I am sure someone here will have better advice. Good luck :)
     
    09-12-2010, 11:56 AM
  #4
Teen Forum Moderator
I agree with the above posters and have a suggestion about cantering/galloping. First off, I wouldn't canter or gallop him until you have a consistent stop at the other gaits, just for your own safety and so that he doesn't basically become trained to not stop at those gaits, especially the gallop.
With my mare, she gets excited (almost uncontrollably excited) about running, especially galloping, and throws her head up in the air and just has a grand time. However, when she does that, I have zero control. So, when she does that, I use the things I know about her from watching her just be a horse. I know that she prefers trotting to any other gait, I know that she responds to and picks up voice commands better than anything else, and I know she hates being a "bad girl," so she's going to do whatever it takes to be "good." So, when she decides to take off, joyfully of course, I let her run a little bit because I know she's not being "bad," she's just happy, then I try to stop her by sitting down and checking and releasing on the reins (pull back-release-pull back-release, really quickly), and when that doesn't work (which sometimes it does) I growl at her and say "LACEY!!" really loudly (I just do that to get her attention back on me, growling to her means "Bad!" but her name just means her). Usually that does the trick and she comes right back to me from "running land" and then responds to all my requests for slowing. I even did that in a rope halter and it worked like a dream.

Basically, I guess the moral of this story is: figure out what motivates your horse the best and use it. Also, perhaps train him to respond to a word for stopping and going down to the next lower gait (you can do that on the ground while leading him and lunging him). Then, you can use it in conjunction with physical cues when you're in the saddle and have multi-faceted control, instead of just relying on your own power when your horse doesn't want to stop. With Lacey at least, word cues have come in SO handy. It's great when I'm riding bareback (just one more example, lol!) and I'm losing my balance so then I get scared and freeze up, making any sort of physical cues I can give non-existent, but I can tell her to slow down and stop with my mouth and then I don't fall off!

Good luck! You'll get there if you work hard at it! :)
     
    09-12-2010, 12:48 PM
  #5
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I would NOT get to the canter till you'll teach him to slow/stop from walk and trot. Start with the walk, do lots of stop - walk - stop. Don't pull on reins, just do squeeze - release. Squeeze the rein and if he doesn't give right away count till 4 and then release, couple strides and do it again, if he stops give loose rein right away and praise him like crazy. Same goes for trot: trot - walk - trot - walk - stop - trot, etc.
     
    09-12-2010, 01:09 PM
  #6
Showing
Agree with everyone else. Don't move up to the trot until you have him stopping good at the walk, don't canter until he's good at the trot, etc. One other thing I use that works for me is when I ask for the stop, I will immediately back them up a couple of steps too, this negates every bit of forward motion and gets their mind centered correctly. If he stops and then takes a couple more steps forward, then back him up twice as many steps.
     
    09-12-2010, 05:40 PM
  #7
Foal
Will your horse stop when he is being led from the ground? Work with this first, you can work the walk and thr trot from the ground. Have him walk slightly behind you, and work to get him to halt when you stop motion and when he hears the command. You can also do this at the trot. If you are confusing him with your signals, this may help to clarify the command a little.
When mounted, do the same thing but in a small circle. Keep him in this circle (not too small, comforable) untill you have his full focus. If he usually needs leg to keep him going, make sure he ggets it. When ready to stop, use clues first, such as sitting back in the seat, taking your legs off, take a deep breath, then ask for the whoa. This lets him know that something is going to happen, and it may help you by keeping you clam and not rushed as well. Work at the walk gate first. If he takes those few steps, walk him in a few very tight circles then ask again. Let him know it is easier to do what you ask than doing what he wants. The backing is a good idea, but I don't believe it should be done everytime, as horses can anticipate motions they know well.
     
    09-12-2010, 05:50 PM
  #8
Foal
Cool im greener then my horse

I have been around horses sence I was a kid but I have never had to break one.
I just got a quarter horse that I had to break (and did) but I never had to train one. All the horses i've had were trained. I realy need some tips on training. How do I get him to stay still so I can get on. He always has his ears back like he's mad.
He's a gentel horse to be around,he loves to see me , he loves he brush downs
This is my first time on this web site so im sorry if I posted this wrong but just like training im new at this

Mike
     
    09-12-2010, 06:11 PM
  #9
Super Moderator
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Originally Posted by airwave6690    
I have been around horses sence I was a kid but I have never had to break one.
I just got a quarter horse that I had to break (and did) but I never had to train one. All the horses i've had were trained. I realy need some tips on training. How do I get him to stay still so I can get on. He always has his ears back like he's mad.
He's a gentel horse to be around,he loves to see me , he loves he brush downs
This is my first time on this web site so im sorry if I posted this wrong but just like training im new at this

Mike
Mike, you probably want to create your own thread to get as many responses as possible. Just click on "New Thread" button in "Training" section and you are good to go.
     
    09-12-2010, 07:15 PM
  #10
Foal
Okay guys. Thanks for this.

I'll definitely work on it.

Thank yoooou!

: )
     

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