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    03-13-2013, 08:51 PM
  #41
Showing
FWIW, one of these might be a better option. This is the basic style that I use on all my more broke horses.

I have bits identical to these and really like them
Http://www.amazon.com/Francois-Gauthier-Antique-Hinged-Futurity/dp/B003ABB6TA/ref=wl_it_dp_o_pC_nS_nC_pads?ie=UTF8&colid=OX4DECX9Z5R0&coliid=I24WKBG58Z94UP
Http://www.amazon.com/Breed-Sweetwater-Mullen-Trainning-Horse/dp/B0053EQS0Y/ref=wl_it_dp_o_pC_S_nC?ie=UTF8&colid=OX4DECX9Z5R0&coliid=I22KFSZLAEYKNI


This one is very similar but has a full copper mouth instead of sweet iron with copper inlays.
Http://www.amazon.com/Coronet-Training-Short-Shank-Copper/dp/B007T9B6QM/ref=wl_it_dp_o_pC_nS_nC?ie=UTF8&colid=OX4DECX9Z5R0&coliid=I29F5VN6VDEQ28


And, I've been really wanting to try one of these but haven't had the chance yet.
Http://www.amazon.com/Sta-Brite-High-Port-Swivel-Mouth/dp/B002HIEGI0/ref=wl_it_dp_o_pC_S_nC?ie=UTF8&colid=OX4DECX9Z5R0&coliid=I3A3TYAKMIF3XV
     
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    03-13-2013, 11:11 PM
  #42
Trained
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Originally Posted by MAG1723    
I do everything with her. Jumping, Trials, cows, I'm on a drill team, Bareback, Shows, Gymkhanas ( pole bending, barrels, etc) Showmanship, Reining. Everything Western and English. Before I got her in April she was a broodmare. Had 7 foals. She is 19 this year. I have tought ( or reminded) her about a lot of things. You can find out more about her on my page. Her name is Ally. Is that all you needed to know?
You seem to do a lot with your horse, that's great, I think that keeps their minds fresh.
In how many of these events are you neck reining or using a direct/open rein like if using a snaffle? That should be a consideration when choosing a bit along with some of the other suggestions made, mouth conformation, horse's preference, event and capability of your horse and you. You may need a couple different bits to accommodate each style of riding your doing.
     
    03-14-2013, 02:54 PM
  #43
Weanling
MAG1723, I actually do much of the same stuff with my horse! English, Western, shows, dressage, gymkhanas, trails, obstacle clinics... I use a french link snaffle 80% of the time (ESPECIALLY gymkhanas! I cry every time I see a rider with a curb bit and short gymkhana reins, yanking away on the horse's mouth!), and the only time I switch into my low-port, short-shank curb is when it's required by showing or if I'm just switching it up to keep my horse fresh and sensitive to a bit where I am not providing much of real contact, but using my body and neck-reining for direction.

IMHO it takes some arena practice and control exercises "bit down" to a French link snaffle if your horse is used to something else, but it is so worth it!

ETA... keep in mind, you don't need a curb bit to neck rein! I neck rein in a snaffle all of the time.
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    03-14-2013, 05:09 PM
  #44
Green Broke
I will put myself out to be flamed and state my Arabs always rode better in tom thumbs than curbs. I don't know why. Someone made me put a curb on my old Arab once and she almost went over just from touching the reins.

I do a lot with my Arab mare and its all in a french link snaffle - jumping, Dressage, gaming. However, out on the trail she gets silly with other horses and in a snaffle, she will fight me tooth and nail sometimes. Using the tom thumb allows me to go on a loose rein 99% of the time and when she acts up, gives me a little wiggle to let her know prancing like a knob is not an option.

I would never start a horse on this bit and my Paint will never know it as I prefer snaffles always always always, but in this one case, my mare simply does best with it. And I have tried DOZENS of diff bits and even a hackamore. This bit in her mouth is the only thing that makes her go head down and relaxed on the trail and listen to me when she gets snorty.

I'm sure she could be reschooled but after 14 years and semi-retirement, I really couldn't be bothered. I don't argue that this isn't a bad bit but I DO argue with "no horse could ever possibly like or go well in this bit". Perhaps not for high performence like reining or barrels no, but it serves its purpose well for us out on the trails.
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    03-14-2013, 06:32 PM
  #45
Yearling
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Originally Posted by MacabreMikolaj    
I will put myself out to be flamed and state my Arabs always rode better in tom thumbs than curbs. I don't know why. Someone made me put a curb on my old Arab once and she almost went over just from touching the reins.

I do a lot with my Arab mare and its all in a french link snaffle - jumping, Dressage, gaming. However, out on the trail she gets silly with other horses and in a snaffle, she will fight me tooth and nail sometimes. Using the tom thumb allows me to go on a loose rein 99% of the time and when she acts up, gives me a little wiggle to let her know prancing like a knob is not an option.

I would never start a horse on this bit and my Paint will never know it as I prefer snaffles always always always, but in this one case, my mare simply does best with it. And I have tried DOZENS of diff bits and even a hackamore. This bit in her mouth is the only thing that makes her go head down and relaxed on the trail and listen to me when she gets snorty.

I'm sure she could be reschooled but after 14 years and semi-retirement, I really couldn't be bothered. I don't argue that this isn't a bad bit but I DO argue with "no horse could ever possibly like or go well in this bit". Perhaps not for high performence like reining or barrels no, but it serves its purpose well for us out on the trails.
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A Tom Thumb IS a curb bit.
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    03-14-2013, 09:45 PM
  #46
Weanling
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Originally Posted by COWCHICK77    
You seem to do a lot with your horse, that's great, I think that keeps their minds fresh.
In how many of these events are you neck reining or using a direct/open rein like if using a snaffle? That should be a consideration when choosing a bit along with some of the other suggestions made, mouth conformation, horse's preference, event and capability of your horse and you. You may need a couple different bits to accommodate each style of riding your doing.

Most of the events I neck rein. ( other then English ) I am teaching her to neck rein though. She is doing very good, but there is that odd moment were she says " ya right mommy" and she starts to walk in a completely different direction, were I can't get her back without using two hands. I would like to switch bits for gymkhanas because I often have to pull her the way I want but I don't want to hurt her ( b/c of the TTB ) I try not to go two handed because a TT is a shank ( I believe ) and the whole leverage thing gets all wonky. And I can make a habit out of that and I don't want to. Thanks for all your help everyone! You are all so nice
     
    03-15-2013, 12:48 AM
  #47
Green Broke
I am perfectly aware that a TT is a curb bit. For sake of arguement, I assumed we all knew what I was referring to when I said TT and curb but for anyone confused, I was referring to a non jointed mouthpiece curb.
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    03-15-2013, 07:39 AM
  #48
Yearling
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Originally Posted by MacabreMikolaj    
I am perfectly aware that a TT is a curb bit. For sake of arguement, I assumed we all knew what I was referring to when I said TT and curb but for anyone confused, I was referring to a non jointed mouthpiece curb.
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But it's important to be accurate when it comes to bits, as a newbie on here might be reading this and then think a Tom Thumb is not a curb....when it is.
     

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