Has he been abused?
 
 

       The Horse Forum > Training Horses > Horse Training

Has he been abused?

This is a discussion on Has he been abused? within the Horse Training forums, part of the Training Horses category
  • "horse is trying to figure out"
  • Horse flinches when i go to pet him

Like Tree7Likes
  • 2 Post By oh vair oh
  • 2 Post By Saddlebag
  • 3 Post By Kayty

 
LinkBack Thread Tools
    04-19-2012, 06:38 PM
  #1
Yearling
Has he been abused?

I have had my new gelding for a couple months. All I know about him.
5yrs old.Broke to ride. Came from Kansas, the also said he's hard to catch.
Which he is, But has gotten better.

When I first got him, if I'd walk out to the pasture he'd automatically walk the other way and didn't care about what anyone would be doing. Now if I walk out there he comes up and will stand around and watch me. If I go to pet him or catch him he turns away and walks off but if I 'forget it' and go back to what I was doing, he walks right back to me. He's head shy, so if I go to touch his face he ducks away. If you try to touch his side or neck he flinches but after a few tries I can usually touch him enough to catch him, sometimes though have to put him in a small pen so he can't go anywhere. Once he's caught, still all flinchy when I try to touch him and stuff of course. With his face when he ducks away I just follow him, get my hand on his head and once I am touching him he will usually lean into it for a rub and after that he will be better about his face being touched.
Touching his side and neck though he flinches every time. Ill be brushing him [soft brush] or just run my hand over him, every time I bring my hand back up to run it over him *flinch* once my hands on him he is ok.

He also has this look on his face the whole time that's just unreadable so it's weird for me because I can't tell what he's thinking about anything. Strange.

He rides good. I can saddle him up. Walk/trot/canter/stop he's fine. Not spooky no attitude or anything.

He's never tried to be mean, either. But with his emotionless face, I don't really wanna trust him. It's kinda scary trying new things cause its like.. ''uhh are you ok with this.. orr... going to kill me.. orrr..????''

So I can't decide if he's been abused.
He looks a lot like a mustang, to me but he doesn't have a brand and he didn't come with any papers so, maybe a mustang that had crap training? I'm going to put a pic on here.
Or maybe he's just shy, since he has been coming around a little bit. Maybe all of the above?

He's like 13.3-14 hands. Looks a ton like this little mustang I had one time.



Tips for working with him, would be awesome maybe get him some confidence somehow.
     
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
    04-19-2012, 06:45 PM
  #2
Weanling
With the flinching, have you had someone out to check if he is ok?
A friend of mines horse will STILL to this day flinch around the whither because he was extremely sore and out everywhere, even though he is alright now he'll still do it 'old habit' the vet said.

I'd rule out if he's sore/out anywhere and then go from there.
     
    04-19-2012, 06:48 PM
  #3
Yearling
Once my hand is on him he doesn't act in pain.. I can push on him and stuff it's just, putting your hand up to touch it he flinches, your hand is on him you can pretty much do whatever but I will ask the vet about that
     
    04-19-2012, 06:53 PM
  #4
Started
Sounds like a horse looking for a herd leader and needs to be sacked out.
     
    04-19-2012, 07:04 PM
  #5
Weanling
My friends horse never acted in pain either, he just flinched and flicked his head (his way of showing he is sore).
I'd get it checked anyway and dig deep to find the problem, ruling out others before thinking he has been beaten.

:)
     
    04-19-2012, 07:06 PM
  #6
Started
Let me help explain my position in detail. Bold is my response to what you have said.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Janna    
I have had my new gelding for a couple months. All I know about him.
5yrs old.Broke to ride. Came from Kansas, the also said he's hard to catch.
Which he is, But has gotten better.

When I first got him, if I'd walk out to the pasture he'd automatically walk the other way and didn't care about what anyone would be doing. Now if I walk out there he comes up and will stand around and watch me. If I go to pet him or catch him he turns away and walks off but You are giving the horse pressure, pushing him away with your body. if I 'forget it' and go back to what I was doing, he walks right back to me This is the release. The horse does not feel pressure from you, so he comes up and approaches you like a member of the herd.. He's head shy, so if I go to touch his face he ducks away. If you try to touch his side or neck he flinches but after a few tries I can usually touch him enough to catch him, sometimes though have to put him in a small pen so he can't go anywhere. Once he's caught, still all flinchy when I try to touch him and stuff of course. With his face when he ducks away I just follow him, get my hand on his head and once I am touching him he will usually lean into it for a rub and after that he will be better about his face being touched.
Touching his side and neck though he flinches every time. Ill be brushing him [soft brush] or just run my hand over him, every time I bring my hand back up to run it over him *flinch* once my hands on him he is ok. Sounds to me like the horse is trying to figure out where you stand as a member of the herd. Since you two have not bonded, he is not used to your customary actions. Do not be afraid around the horse, do not act timid. If you sneak around him he will become suspicious of your actions. Stand next to him and flail your hands in the air until he stands still. Once he understands your body language he will get over it.

He also has this look on his face the whole time that's just unreadable so it's weird for me because I can't tell what he's thinking about anything. Strange. Two months, not enough time to "bond" and read your horse.

He rides good. I can saddle him up. Walk/trot/canter/stop he's fine. Not spooky no attitude or anything.

He's never tried to be mean, either. But with his emotionless face, I don't really wanna trust him. It's kinda scary trying new things cause its like.. ''uhh are you ok with this.. orr... going to kill me.. orrr..????'' You are creating the fear and "abuse" scenario in your head. You expect this horse to be abused, so everything you see you will characterize as abused and not see that you are the one acting strangely around the horse. Treat him like a horse and be confident around him and he will learn to trust you. Horses trust strong, confident herd leaders.

So I can't decide if he's been abused.
He looks a lot like a mustang, to me but he doesn't have a brand and he didn't come with any papers so, maybe a mustang that had crap training? I'm going to put a pic on here.
Or maybe he's just shy, since he has been coming around a little bit. Maybe all of the above?

He's like 13.3-14 hands. Looks a ton like this little mustang I had one time.



Tips for working with him, would be awesome maybe get him some confidence somehow.
Wallaby and FaydesMom like this.
     
    04-19-2012, 07:15 PM
  #7
Showing
He's just figured out what works. The next time he comes to you, face him straight on an good arm's length away. If he turns his head to the left, you turn yours to the left and look away. This will draw him back and then you can face him again. If he turns and starts to walk away, you do the same, immediately, walking away from him. You need go only about 10 ft. Turn and see if he is looking at you with both eyes. You need both eyes otherwise he's looking for an escape. If he is face in and slowly step back a few steps. He may approach or stand. At least he's not leaving. If when he turned and kept walking away, circle around until you are in his blind area behind him and gently shoo him off. Then stand where he was standing. Back up which invites him back. If he doesn't, then just wait until he's grazing and shoo him again. He will begin to start watching you with both eyes. Approach, extend your arm and use you hand, fingers down, to greet him. He must touch your hand, don't go the last inch to touch him. Turn and walk away. If he doesn't follow you you have left him a bit confused because you have asked nothing of him but have shown him you can move him. Do this a few times each day for the next few days. Be sure to carry your halter and lead in your left elbow. Do not hide it or attempt to touch him with it at first. Only hello and leave. As he gets better, use your halter or lead and offer a neck rub and along his body with it. And walk away. One the third day hold the halter and lead in your left hand and offer that he sniff it. This is when I offer a treat, if he does touch it. Repeat 4 or 5 times and walk away. The walking away is strengthening the connection. When you do have him haltered, immediately remove it and walk away. More repetitions. After 5 days mine was waiting at the gate as soon as he heard me. I often halter him, ask nothing but will groom him with my hands with the rope dropped on the ground or over his neck. Maybe pick his tail, remove the halter and leave. Now he calls when he's at the gate.
FaydesMom and oh vair oh like this.
     
    04-19-2012, 09:16 PM
  #8
Trained
All normal horse behaviour if you're not the established leader. Everyone wants to jump straight to the 'my horse has been abused' bandwagon as an excuse for the horse's behaviour. I don't think a horse should be treated any differently to other horses if it has suffered abuse from a human. We adjust our training slightly to accomodate each horse, but overall, the goal is the same. You want the horse to trust you, but also respect you. Don't tip toe around and treat a horse that flinches like a princess, that only reinforces that behaviour. I'd be strutting around confidently, throwing rugs, saddles etc. on, not making a fuss of anything.
     

Thread Tools

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Working with an abused horse Lucky89 Horse Training 24 11-30-2010 12:45 AM
Abused Fillies :@ Gidji Horse Training 24 04-21-2010 07:14 PM
Abused horse Dani9192 Horse Training 22 03-11-2010 06:01 PM
Horses Abused Anvil Horse Health 3 02-04-2010 06:10 PM
Abused horse can't get over her past dimmers_double Horse Training 11 07-29-2008 11:58 AM



All times are GMT -4. The time now is 12:29 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.5
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Search Engine Friendly URLs by vBSEO 3.6.0