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post #21 of 33 Old 12-15-2010, 11:59 AM
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I would say maybe even try a short little hack after a good training session for a cool down. Eventually you'll be able to leave for longer of periods of time and with less riding before hand to get the sillies out before they show up on the trail.
When I was still riding a bunch of greenies I kind of thought of a ride before the trail ride like longing a horse before getting on when they are really green and have lots more sillies in them.

If I was in your position I would really want to learn how to teach a horse to hack out nicely. You say they don't get turn out? So all arena work and no turn out may result in a burned out horse.
I'm not saying you can't think of enough ways to keep a horse interested and working in an arena, but now you would have one more way of working with the horse.

Change of scenery away from arenas is great for the horse and rider, you should really not give up and keep trying. Good luck.
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I would say maybe even try a short little hack after a good training session for a cool down. Eventually you'll be able to leave for longer of periods of time and with less riding before hand to get the sillies out before they show up on the trail.
When I was still riding a bunch of greenies I kind of thought of a ride before the trail ride like longing a horse before getting on when they are really green and have lots more sillies in them.

If I was in your position I would really want to learn how to teach a horse to hack out nicely. You say they don't get turn out? So all arena work and no turn out may result in a burned out horse.
I'm not saying you can't think of enough ways to keep a horse interested and working in an arena, but now you would have one more way of working with the horse.

Change of scenery away from arenas is great for the horse and rider, you should really not give up and keep trying. Good luck.
thank you for some positive feedback appreciate it, i will try that and it sounds a great idea will keep u posted many thanks
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The more you take her out and school her out of her silly behaviour, the more she will learn that she must behave. Eventually you will have the benefit of a horse that is enjoyable both in and out of the arena, truly a joy to own I guarantee.

Why can't you hack the other two?
she schools fine and again i wouldnt say its a behaviour issue its just an excited horse on a hack with others who is a very energetic horse in the first place, she is amazing to own my dream horse with the sucsess she brings me. The other 2 dont hack because he has sore feet, and the other one is worth too much couldnt risk anything happen to her.
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post #24 of 33 Old 12-15-2010, 12:12 PM
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she schools fine and again i wouldnt say its a behaviour issue its just an excited horse on a hack with others who is a very energetic horse in the first place, she is amazing to own my dream horse with the sucsess she brings me. The other 2 dont hack because he has sore feet, and the other one is worth too much couldnt risk anything happen to her.
Fair enough. The excitement will wear off if it is something that you do regularly and encourage the approppriate behaviour. I have always owned OTTB's and have struck similar problems to the ones you are facing now. Sure it is frustrating but your patience and persistence will pay off in the end. There is nothing more enjoyable than hacking out with a group (I believe) so I hope this is just a hurdle that you are able to overcome. The first step though is deciding that it is something that you want to overcome and dealing with the issue at hand.

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2 Can play that game people on her seem to think that horses are machines and clearly dont have much experience in the horse industury must all just buy push buttons because no horse is perfect and every horse has little niggs!
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Either not much experience in the horse industry, or a lot of experience - enough to know that this is definately an issue that can be resolved if the correct steps are taken

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post #25 of 33 Old 12-15-2010, 12:15 PM
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Also, find someone who is willing to hack out with you and Tasha so you can work on her issues with just one other person. That way you can do more training and not interfere with a whole group of people.
Rook acts silly when we're first starting out in a group. I've had many people tell me to do this. Then gradually add more people and horses to the mix over time. It may just be that your boy/girl (?) may not know where he/she fits in to the group.

Also, try lunging or putting them through their paces in the arena before you go out with the group. If they are stall kept all the time, they are definitely going to have some pent up energy that they not only want to get out...but that they really NEED to get out. I started lunging Rook, even though he's kept outside most of the time, when I would get him to a friends house. He would get uncontrollably excited with all the other horses that were just standing in the field. So now, when I get him off the trailer and get him saddled, I take him straight to the round pen to get him moving his feet. I've done it as little as 10 mins up to 30 mins. I do it until I'm comfortable enough with his actions to be sure that he's not going to have the attitude when we first start out. It's truely amazing how much it helps.

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post #26 of 33 Old 12-15-2010, 12:16 PM
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she schools fine and again i wouldnt say its a behaviour issue its just an excited horse on a hack with others who is a very energetic horse in the first place, she is amazing to own my dream horse with the sucsess she brings me. The other 2 dont hack because he has sore feet, and the other one is worth too much couldnt risk anything happen to her.
Schooling doesn't just happen in the arena. Horses don't have an on-off switch for learning - every interaction teaches them something, for good or bad. If she schools fine in the arena, find someone who is willing to ride with you while you practice "schooling exercises" on the trail. Focus her mind, and her body will behave. Energetic doesn't have to equate to uncontrollable or unhackable. If I had to guess, this isn't just a trail or group riding problem, and your mare probably has a milder case of the same issues in the arena.

If your mare has a history of being uppity on the trail in a group, start out riding with just one or two other horses, preferably very calm, experienced horses with considerate and experienced trail riders. Start at a walk, get her moving calmly and in a controlled manner in figures there, and when she's brilliant try a trot. Up the ante as she proves to you that she's happy, calm, relaxed, and comfortable with the scenario that she's in now.

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post #27 of 33 Old 12-15-2010, 12:24 PM
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why d i get the feeling this is made up..?
One horse rears
one horse gets excited
one has sore feet
one is to expensive


Get a trainer for your rearer
Get your excited one out every horse is excited when there new to stuff they get over it.
Why are his feet sore is he barefoot or shod?
No horse is to expensive to go on a hack unless a hack to you is charging a hundred miles an hour down a motor way i cant see much going wrong one you use your common sense. Much more likely to be injured showjumping then walking around a lane or field.
Also if your horses (as it looks) never get out id ecpect them to be looney personally there probably sour

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post #28 of 33 Old 12-15-2010, 12:29 PM
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Either not much experience in the horse industry, or a lot of experience - enough to know that this is definately an issue that can be resolved if the correct steps are taken
Exactly, sarah.

If people want a quick fix, there isn't one. Training, training, and more training are what's needed for a horse and rider team that's lacking in certain areas.

All I see are some people throwing excuses around, instead of taking the necessary steps to rectify the situation.

I know my horses' personalities, quirks, likes, dislikes, and things they can and can't do. However, regardless of their personal idiosyncracies, they're all trained well enough to be expected to hack out and not give me a giant ball of attitude over it.
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post #29 of 33 Old 12-15-2010, 01:02 PM
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I guess I'm not understanding how you can have 4 horses and NONE of them able to hack, yet you don't see it as a training issue. Horses need to be able to do what is expected of them. If you don't want to hack, it's a non issue, but you clearly DO want to hack, so you should take steps to make sure at least SOME of your horses are able to live up to your expectations. It's not like you don't have just one to choose from. You claim that you are the boss of your horse, yet you are giving up on trailing with her because you have not been successful. That doesn't tell me you are the boss. That tells me that some great cosmic scoreboard in the sky has lit up somewhere saying Tasha, 1, Dillon, 0


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I would hate to see what that great cosmic scoreboard in the sky says about me!!!

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