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post #11 of 22 Old 11-09-2009, 10:49 PM
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I personally would not treat a horse for a condition the horse may or may not have. Not to mention medications for ulcers are not cheap.
To each his own.

But there are cheap ulcer meds (Corta-Flx U-Gard - Dover Saddlery.). And with scopes running around $300 in this area, it's a lot more economical to put them on a supplement and watch for a change in behavior sometimes. I'd much rather spend $25 on a supplement that does nothing then spend $300 on a scope that shows the horse is clear.

If the supp. helps then you can scope to check the severity.

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^^ Yep. It won't hurt the horse to treat him for ulcers.....but it has the possibility to hurt the horse to not treat him for ulcers.
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post #13 of 22 Old 11-10-2009, 12:39 AM
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I personally would not treat a horse for a condition the horse may or may not have. Not to mention medications for ulcers are not cheap.

I would check through physical issues first as that sort of behavior while tacking always makes me think something physical..
Wouldn't you consider ulcers a physical issue? Or do you mean, make sure there isn't a musculo-skeletal issue?
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post #14 of 22 Old 11-10-2009, 07:38 AM
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You need to get some respect from him. Untill you do I wouldn't tack him up in a stall. You have nowhere to go if he decides to kick at you or smash you into the wall. When you groom him stand your ground. If he tries to walk over you stick a currycomb handle in his ribs and if you need to jab him hard and make him move away. He must know that you are as invioble as a brick wall. Don't try to be nice get with it and get it done.
I agree. This is another Dink who hasn't learned respect. Can't he be tied solid to something and why not??
We have a girl at our barn with a 9 or 10 year old that she bought as a foul. She shows him but needs a handler to hold the horse all day. She will not tie the horse.. What a pain, at a big show and needing someone to hold him instead of tying him solid to the trailer and enjoying the show.
All horses should be taught to tie.
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post #15 of 22 Old 11-10-2009, 08:24 AM
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kevinshorses has some good advice. You HAVE to be the leader!
As for tying, there is absolutely no reason why he cant be tied to
something solid by his halter. I would not tie him up from his bridle.
But his halter is completely fine.




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kevinshorses has some good advice. You HAVE to be the leader!
As for tying, there is absolutely no reason why he cant be tied to
something solid by his halter. I would not tie him up from his bridle.
But his halter is completely fine.
I won't even tie with a halter. I use a neck rope. I live in amish country and you can go to the market and see dozens of horses tied and every single one, every one is tied with a neck rope.
At church sunday morning there are over one hundred horses standing tied and again every one is with a neck rope.
They must have their reasons for using a neck rope.
I never tie without one.
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KevinsHorses is absolutely right, whether in pain or not, a horse that has your respect won't push over you. A horse that doesn't is very dangerous. Okay, let's do an example. Johnny rides a pushy horse at the barn, and while the horse keeps pushing over him, Johnny doesn't realize that he is becoming lower and lower on the pecking order until one day when they are out riding, the bit can't constrain the horse any longer and the horse rears and takes of running leaving Johnny on the ground while the horse is visiting with buddies in a near-by pen. Johnny is now upset, but it is not the horse's fault, it's instinct. Someone HAS to be in control. Since Johnny didn't step up and do it, the horse did, and that's what happened.


So, you need to teach the horse that you are in control, and he isn't allowed in your space. In the wild, a horse never invades the Alpha mares space as she will punish them. What that horse needs if ground manners. He is 13, and can't stand still tied? My 2 1/2 year old will stand tied for 30 minutes without fuss and a relaxed foot.

Do you have access to a round pen? I would read up on Round-Pen Reasoning with John Lyons and read about Join-Up from Monty Roberts. If you don't have the space or time, do like Kevin said, make it uncomfortable for him to push you around.

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post #18 of 22 Old 11-10-2009, 01:02 PM
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They must have their reasons for using a neck rope.
I never tie without one.
Could you ask them why they use neck ropes? I would love to know. I would think it's so they don't have a halter underneath the bridle when they are using thier horses but there might be a much more complicated reason.

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Ok, everything that I've ready does have some pretty accurate points. When reading the original post, my immediate thought is that the horse is trying to tell you something, there is something wrong with being ridden. When the horse feels pain, it feels vulnerable, it compromises their ability to "fight or flight", therefore their defensive behavior is going to get stronger and more sensitive. What many people see as a "behavioral problem" is that, but its not just that, that behavioral problem is stemming from defensive behavior. If the human can be an adequate leader, then the horse won't run you over, so this does need to be established. However, I personally don't want to punish my horse from expressing that I'm not doing something right. I have seen many horses behave despite their physical discomfort, and they end up just quietly going lame. I will not let any horse run me over, but I do feel that it is my responsibility to understand why the horse is being so defensive and fix that problem.

If someone sent me this horse and said "fix it", I would attack this problem from all angles. I would start by addressing the feeding program, taking ulcers into consideration. I would then get into behavioral, teaching respect, manners, and social skills putting me in the herd leader position. This is necessary to ensure your safety and the horses security and comfort. I would not get on the horses back without understanding their physical condition. I personally often start with ground work to help them use their bodies correctly, consult body workers, farriers, vets, trainers, anyone who can help me understand what is going on. Something causes defensive behavior, something causes ulcers, you have to figure out the source of the problem before you can truly fix it.

I have been put in positions where someone says "here is my pain in the butt horse, I want you to ride it". It is possible to solve a lot of problems from this angle, but it does take a lot of work to fix the horses body undersaddle. Good luck!
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Could you ask them why they use neck ropes? I would love to know. I would think it's so they don't have a halter underneath the bridle when they are using thier horses but there might be a much more complicated reason.

Kevin I have never seen a neck rope break. It has a good snap on the end and the load on that snap is 1/2 of what it would be if connected to a halter. With a halter the entire pull is put on the halter and it's weakest point breaks. With a neck rope the halter only holds the horse's head in alignment . The neck rope takes the entire pull.
I have broken older western horses and have a 1 inch soft cotten neck rope and I use that and a snubbing post and it will hold any horse.
I wouldn't rely on a halter and a snap to tie my horse to the side of the trailer and go to the beach for the day . With a neck rope I feel complete safety. He will be there when I return
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