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        03-06-2011, 02:08 PM
      #21
    Green Broke
    1)Do you think it is dangerous to lunge without a whip?

    Nope. As long as your horse knows how to lunge and behaves while lunging.

    2)Do you think you should lunge without slack in the lunge line?

    Kind of a hard question to answer. If your horse works good on a loose line, good. If he works better on "tighter" line than that is fine. I would prefer the horse to be on a looser line because that indicates more that he is listening and knows how to go in a circle.

    3)Do you think using sliding reins is bad?(in the way I told you I used them)

    I am not sure what sliding reins are? Could you show a picture? And in your first post you said you didn't use them very often, you just used them for that particular lunge. Using less "mechanical" (as I like to say :)) is always better. BUT even when using them not often you MUST know HOW to use them. Same goes for all equipment.
         
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        03-06-2011, 02:16 PM
      #22
    Weanling
    These are sliding reins:


    I do prefer to use less mechanical. My horse sometimes needs support on the lunge, and these do help. They help keep his neck straight too because as I've said, his neck can be bent one way, but his body the other and it's hard for him to circle like that. These will help him focus on me. I don't put them on to bring his head down, I use them loosely. I don't want anything on him that is unnecessary or will make him fight. I use a plain snaffle bridle too-no flash.
         
        03-06-2011, 03:58 PM
      #23
    Green Broke
    Well that's okay, and I think you might just have to stand your ground when someone says to do something when you know your horse doesn't go like that. You just need to say "No, but thanks" you don't need to be rude but make sure your point gets across in saying "Don't think that I don't know what I am doing" And being young doesn't help :) Good luck with everything!
         
        03-06-2011, 06:38 PM
      #24
    Yearling
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by SPhorsemanship    
    These are sliding reins:


    I do prefer to use less mechanical. My horse sometimes needs support on the lunge, and these do help. They help keep his neck straight too because as I've said, his neck can be bent one way, but his body the other and it's hard for him to circle like that. These will help him focus on me. I don't put them on to bring his head down, I use them loosely. I don't want anything on him that is unnecessary or will make him fight. I use a plain snaffle bridle too-no flash.
    We call those draw reigns down here(: work miracles on my boy!!
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        03-06-2011, 07:12 PM
      #25
    Weanling
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by justjump    
    We call those draw reigns down here(: work miracles on my boy!!
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    ok! Ya were I am we call draw reins the ones your ride with and sliding reins the ones you lunge with. They're the same thing anyways though.
         
        03-06-2011, 09:18 PM
      #26
    Weanling
    Just to clarify, I read it again and I though it was confusing, I usually do use a whip to lunge but I use a shorter one. I do the "triangle" but differently from this trainer. The whip is an extension of my hand and is used with my body language to communicate to the horse. This trainer held the lunge rope tight and used a 6'+lunge whip. I've used this method and I'm not against it. It's actually a very logical method. I like slack in the rope and a shorter whip. I'm the one communicating with the horse, if I want a connection, I do that while riding my horse. In this situation(new barn, scary heater, scary end of the arena, lots of energy) I decided it would be better to lunge without the whip.
         
        03-06-2011, 09:45 PM
      #27
    Yearling
    Not trying to be rude, but judging from your posts, you seem like quite a high maintenance boarder. It's true that you will never find a 'perfect' place. There will always be something that you don't agree with. Did you sit down with the trainer and explain everything you've done with your horse? Are you 100% sure that your horse was abused or was his behaviour developed from people that let him get what he wants? More often then not, that is the case.

    I agree that you should sit down with the trainer and his wife separetley and voice your concern.

    And on the note with the horses not wearing blankets, it's been proven that blanketing a horse actually can damage the hairs natural growth and processes.
         
        03-06-2011, 11:45 PM
      #28
    Weanling
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Arksly    
    Not trying to be rude, but judging from your posts, you seem like quite a high maintenance boarder. It's true that you will never find a 'perfect' place. There will always be something that you don't agree with.

    And on the note with the horses not wearing blankets, it's been proven that blanketing a horse actually can damage the hairs natural growth and processes.
    I have to say I overreacted especially since my horse has had multiple canadian winters without a blanket. I'm just now so used to a stable where all the horses are treated like babies. I want to let go of that!!! I thought it was stupid when I got there, and then they brainwashed me! ARGH! They're horses for god sake... I'm sure my horse is actually much happier here. After being to a high maintenance stable for a long time, I think they changed me a little to expect more but I really shouldn't and I don't want to!

    As for the trainer. I'm going to have a few more sessions with him, it's hard to judge completely off of one session especially because everyone underestimates my horse. As for his wife...I'll give her another chance.

    And Arksly, I remember that you were having boarding issues in the Edmonton area, I had PMed you about that. Did it work out it the end? I have a horse friend up there who is looking for a stable to board at and I was wondering if you have any new suggestions? PM me if you'd like.
         
        03-07-2011, 12:26 AM
      #29
    Super Moderator
    Hello SP.,

    I read your whole novella and the correscponing posts. Do I get a gold star? Just kidding.

    I know what you mean about having your own way of lunging and relying more on your body language. I prefer this method of lunging, but I lunge more for finite body control and mental connection rather than for getting yayas out or working on headset or other training points. I don't like to use the big whip either.
    Your choice is to demonstrate to the trainer that your method works. Or, to keep an open mind and see if he might not have something of merit to add to your already expanding bank of horsemanship knowledge (impressive for you age).
    The other thing, is that is he there for all aspects of dealing with your horse, or is it just for riding lessons?

    If it's just riding lessons, then you might stil find it valuable.
    Good luck and keep an open mind.
         
        03-07-2011, 12:56 AM
      #30
    Weanling
    *gives tinyliny hundreds of gold stars*

    This is more of a private barn and the trainer is also the barn owner. He and his wife take care of my horse.
         

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