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post #1 of 18 Old 12-16-2009, 08:11 PM Thread Starter
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He beat me to the punchline today

So today, I go out to ride Ice and long story short it ends with him taking off towards the gate, me dropping my reins and then bailing out. He's been very "get up and go" ish, and a whole lot brattier, since he discovered that he could canter. That's all he want to do. So, being a race horse, he does it, and forgets about whether I want him to or not. Tomorrow, if I'm able, I'm going to go out and run him in the round pen till he never even thinks of cantering ever again. I also plan on checking the resident western trainers rates at my barn (she follows clinton anderson, just so everyone knows). Anything else that I should do? I would have gotten back on him, but a few people thought I should go get checked out by the ER so thats what I did.

He "knows" how to one rein stop--as in when he feels like bending his neck, he'll do it, but if he stiffens up, I might as well be yanking on a tree trunk. He also, when he's not feeling bratty, understands verbal cues to the point of where I can talk him down from having a fit with my seat and my voice. So thats all good, but is there anything else?
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post #2 of 18 Old 12-16-2009, 08:19 PM
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Where do you ride? Are you in an arena, ring, round pen. I would take him in the round pen to start and work on transitions, getting him into the canter for a stride or two and then bringing him back down to the trot or walk, etc.
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maybe instead of cantering him, or lounging him at a canter.... Try walking him for abit, and maybe some trotting. but dont go any faster than that. Until he learns to listen to you better..
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My mare almost dumped me day before yesterday. She hates being ridden in my english saddle (or bareback) and she went nuts. Luckily I stayed on but I hopped off and grabbed my lunge line and trotted her around until she was puffing. i didn't get back on her (I was at home alone and I have issues riding when no one is home anyway o I wasn't going to get on a bratty horse in case something happened) but I think she got the picture and Im just going to throw the western saddle on from now on. Squirly horses in the weather we rare having.
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post #5 of 18 Old 12-16-2009, 08:35 PM Thread Starter
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Just to be clear, we were trotting. Or supposed to be trotting. I wanted him to walk so we could go back to the gate, and he said "uhh, NO" and took off. We were riding in the arena at the time. I ride Western to begin with, and hes usually very respectable--until last month I did something he didn't like and he decided to buck and take off....when he figured out he could canter. I stayed on that time, because I managed to keep my reins and get him in to a one rein stop.

My philosophy is if he wants to canter thats fine! And then he'll keep cantering, and keep cantering, and keep cantering.....until I want him to stop. Maybe once he learns there's more work in being bad then being good, he'll listen to me.
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I agree with you that the horse should maintain the gait you choose until you say otherwise. Ground work will go a long way to get his respect. But eventually you will have to ride him again and it sounds like you need some breaks before you engage the engine. When he jumped into the canter, the best thing to do would have been to shut him down immediately with a one rein stop. When you do get on him again, teach him the one rein stop at the walk, then trot and finally canter. Any time he makes a decision about speed that is contrary to what you want, shut him down right away. It might take a few rides, but eventually he'll figure out that he won't get anywhere with that tactic. Of course then he'll pick another fun one like backing up or something, but that's another post....
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post #7 of 18 Old 12-16-2009, 10:37 PM
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I don't think this is an "oh, yay, I want to canter" situation but more a "I do not respect you and know when I get going there is nothing you can do to stop me" situation.

In this case cantering him until he is exhausted is probably not goignt o help too much.

You need to work on him respecting your every cue at the walk before you move to the trot. Then same for the trot before you canter.

If he is bracing his neck at with the one rein stop and not stopping, you are doing it wrong. It is not just crank his head to the side and hope he stops, he will either do exactly as he is and resist, or keep going and possibly fall and hurt or kill you both.

What he should be doing is moving his hind end away form your leg as you bend his neck, this causes him to mentally change gears from "go" to "turn", and in effect he will slow down and stop.

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I agree with MyBoyPuck. Only thing I wanted to add is concerning this
me dropping my reins and then bailing out
I wouldn't ever do this unless there was no other option like they're running to something that has a low roof and you're going to get raked off or they're about to go off a cliff or something and you can't stop them. Jumping off when they're naughty just trains them that they can train YOU to get off when they want you to. I've ridden several horses where they learned they can get their rider off and you can't trust them enough to let your guard down when riding.

I also think it's more dangerous to jump off a galloping horse. Most people do not know how to land correctly and will get hurt. I always stick with the horse and if I can't stop them I stay with them and wait for the opportunity to drive him into a corner or soften up and start listening. You don't want a loose horse or him to put a foot through the reins.
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Originally Posted by Honeysuga View Post
If he is bracing his neck at with the one rein stop and not stopping, you are doing it wrong. It is not just crank his head to the side and hope he stops, he will either do exactly as he is and resist, or keep going and possibly fall and hurt or kill you both.

What he should be doing is moving his hind end away form your leg as you bend his neck, this causes him to mentally change gears from "go" to "turn", and in effect he will slow down and stop.
I was going to write this but I just felt plumb lazy. Also you missed an opportunity to teach him an important lesson...You can ride as fast as he can run. If you were in an arena you should have taken a deep seat and stayed with him. The worse thing that would have happened is you would have fallen off and you did that anyway. Probably he would have ran to the gate and stopped then you could have picked up the reins and proceeded to school him.

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To MBP-yes, thats exactly what needs to happen, lol.....he also needs to "go ridden out of him, and I do not have the velcro butt nor the real solid skills to do so, should he decide he wants to be a nut. Thats where my trainer comes in. I'll feel better knowing hes still only a five minute drive away from me and I can watch the sessions if I choose, but its not so much as having the brakes installed as giving them a tune up. Until last month when he took off on me, I could trot him on a loose rein and he'd never even think of going faster.

HS-You're right, its not a "yay, canter" its a "oh, I remember how this goes--I take off and its way more fun!" Again, he never had a problem with his brakes or his cues until he took off on me last month. Thats when he figured out he could go, and basically get away with it. In this case the cantering him in to the ground will get him to really LISTEN to my cues again--sometimes but not always he ignores the "slow down" cue in the round pen, so I guess its time he learned? As for the one rein stop, he bends fine from the ground and in the saddle. I've one rein stopped him before, the last time he took off on me, but that was a little more controlled than this time. At a walk, he yields his hind end into a turn and if I chose to he could put his nose on my foot. But when he gets his "race horse" brain, he forgets all of that and just knows how to charge forward with his front end and keep going.

Marissa-It wasn't a choice, as soon as he took off I lost my reins. They're thick trail reins and are kind of soft, so they just fell from my hand and that was it. If I'd kept them, I probably would have stayed on and gotten him under control, but at that point I knew it just wasn't going to happen so I rolled off. I've actually fallen once before and forgot to roll, which resulted in me breaking my wrist. So I did teach myself for future purposes, lol. He wasn't galloping, he was cantering, but it was his long and choppy race track canter so he was moving pretty fast. Like I said with my boy puck, I don't have the real solid skills or the velcro butt to sit his new found racetrack fits. Maybe after a few sessions with the girl who used to ride broncos he'll get it, but until then I don't plan on getting on him.

Health wise, I am fine, no concussion, but he did manage to clip me with his back legs (he has stiff stifles!) as he jumped over me, so I have a nice bruise on my thigh. My tailbone is also bruised pretty good, so I wouldn't be in riding condition regardless.
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