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post #11 of 31 Old 11-05-2012, 08:08 PM
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They do still show those young horse traits until even 6 or 7 years, but bronc bucking as soon as the saddle is put on, is NOT normal young horse behaviour, unless that horse was started badly. Drugging it to get on doesn't help the cause. Even for a well prepared youngster just being started, not many will buck hard like that.

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post #12 of 31 Old 11-05-2012, 08:11 PM
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Originally Posted by rubyhorse View Post
I have just purchased a 3 yr old pony gelding for dressage. We were doing well he bronc bucked me off for no reason. Then he got a stone bruise. He was on stall rest for a month and is now sound. I have to drug him to ride and hand walk. I put on a saddle on him today not drugged and in 2 walk steps he started bronc bucking. Some people tell me even if he was off for a month, he shouldn't do that is he was truely broken. What do ya'll think? This my first time with a newly broke horse. Is there any good western trainers for young horses around Charlotte, NC?????
The fact that you say you drug to ride without batting an eye speaks volumes as to your ability to handle this horse without professional training for the horse AND for you.
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post #13 of 31 Old 11-05-2012, 08:21 PM
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If you have to ask and simply by the fact you have to drug him tells me no this pony is definitely not broke. Pain is a big option however from your description of problems i guess he never was really broke or not correctly.
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post #14 of 31 Old 11-05-2012, 09:00 PM
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Originally Posted by AnrewPL View Post
Ridemoreworkless has a good point, a horse might be well into 5 or 6 before they start to settle down, and that’s about the age you should hold off the hard work to let them firm up physically too. But even after that age they might buck. The only one of my work horses I have left is Cisco, about 21 or22 now, the cranky old turd will throw one or two in, in really sneaky ways at that, to see if he can get you now and then. And the most unbelievable one I saw was an ancient racehorse us kids learned to ride on. He was so quiet we’d use him for a jungle gym and ride him into a waterhole and use him as a diving platform; the old guy stunned everyone when he threw someone once; any horse can buck. But by the sounds of it you have something a bit out of the average on your hands, get him re trained or get your money back.
I agree, there are many babies that are dead quiet, really nice horses, but sometime between I would say, about 3 and 6 years old, they will try some stuff and need to have a strong rider/handler to keep them developing well. It is all part of the growing process. A 3 or 4 year old may be really calm and have a great start, but they are technically still *babies* and only time and wet saddle blankets will make them truly "broke" in my definition.
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post #15 of 31 Old 11-09-2012, 06:18 PM Thread Starter
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Thank you for ya'lls opinions. I have a professional trainer and she is still drugging him, he had an injury a month or so ago. Now I am confused, he passed TWICE on his flexion test and passed. The vet still wants him stalled up with little turnout unless he is drugged. From what they tell me is that they dont want him to reinjure. How can he get reinjured if he was sound two weeks ago? My trainer still drugs and I have asked her to stop, but she told me if i don't drug him when I ride trot sets, he will reinjure himself. She won't give me a direct answer why she is afraid he might get rehurt. He is a three year old who needs to be outside not locked up in a stall for who knows how long. what should I do? Should I move barns? I just don't know what to do,
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Your trainer sounds like a moron who has no idea how to train a horse why on earth would you ride a green horse drugged, that's just dangerous... The vet says he can't be taken out of his stall unless he's drugged... WTF........... how is he hurt? if the trainer is still drugging himand riding him he must not be injured that bad, if he is injured so bad that the vet says he can't come out of his stall unless he's drugged, then he should NOT be ridden until he heals

Btw routinely drugging your horse can have serious health problems
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post #17 of 31 Old 11-09-2012, 07:27 PM
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MOVE BARNS NOW. Any trainer that has you drug a horse to ride is SO wrong. He could get more hurt when drugged, hell you could get more hurt. This is just mind boggling to me, it's insane. Drugging him can have lasting side effects and if you care about him, I would move him asap. I don't understand the vet's reasoning either. I personally would have a second opinion, and a new trainer, and barn. For you and your horse.

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post #18 of 31 Old 11-09-2012, 07:52 PM
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I agree with everyone with not drugging a horse to ride, that is just asking for something bad to happen. If it needs to be drugged it shouldn't be ridden full stop.

Though one question what exactly do you mean by drugged? Is it too calm it, for pain, what exactly is it for?

I think I would be moving my horse also, none of the advice from your trainer makes any sense to me.

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post #19 of 31 Old 11-09-2012, 08:10 PM
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I'm wondering if the drug is Bute? I'm also wondering if the pony was loaded on Bute when she bo't him to conceal and ongoing issue. When he was taken off, his lameness returned.
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post #20 of 31 Old 11-09-2012, 08:36 PM
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I would definately have another vet come out and see the horse and Definately get that horse out of there. I agree with everyone who says that it will create more harm and it is completely mind boggling. Did you buy this horse from the trainer that you are currently boarding at?
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