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post #11 of 20 Old 02-12-2012, 12:53 AM
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I have a thought... Is it possible that he is simply throwing his head out of habit? Obviously change to a snaffle (I personally like double jointed snaffles or french links) and see what happens (I'm not a fan of tom thumb bits) but he may be doing it for no reason. Possibly a learned habit? Just a thought though...
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post #12 of 20 Old 02-12-2012, 01:00 AM Thread Starter
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HAHAHAHA actually..... LOL his old owner was a light weight, Im ummm kinda healthy lol but not anymore than a horse his size can handle comfortably. He was born and raised on their farm and the husband broke him out and rode him for 3 years. The wife didnt like Harley cause she says he acted like a two year old spoiled brat (husband babied him) and he has always thrown his head (which is why Im tending to agree with Sky). I have brought him out of the spoiled brat pushy horse stuff but havent had any luck with his head throwing.
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post #13 of 20 Old 02-12-2012, 01:03 AM
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Maybe it is just a habit then and nothing more, you never know.

What you could do for that is teach him release. Tighten the cinch a little, let his head go up, and as soon as he relaxes and lowers it again then loosen the cinch so he learns it is a reward to be relaxed.

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It's called a counter canter...
...A very advanced maneuver.
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What you could do for that is teach him release. Tighten the cinch a little, let his head go up, and as soon as he relaxes and lowers it again then loosen the cinch so he learns it is a reward to be relaxed.
Yeah or work on some lowering head exercises too.. ones that are relaxing like reaching down for a carrot or whatnot.

Has he always been ridden in a tom thumb though? Do you know what he was broke in?

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post #15 of 20 Old 02-12-2012, 01:15 AM Thread Starter
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Here is a pic of the culprit. I toolk this pic on the day I got him. He has put on some weight since then but he is not an easy keeper by any means. I dont know why I cant get a pic to upload for my avatar. From what the previous owners have told me a tom thumb is all he has ever been in. But I am all for changing it up and trying to see what will make him happy. And let me tell you.... that boy would get down on his knees and crawl for a treat LOL. He is all about some food. So doing training that involves food is always a good idea in his book. I will try the releasing exercises too as soon as it gets above freezing around here.
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post #16 of 20 Old 02-12-2012, 02:37 AM
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Aww is he an Arab? Too adorable. Yes, definitely get out of the tom thumb, and get into a snaffle or double jointed snaffle (so it takes out the nutcracker effect) I prefer loose rings for the cheek piece, but that is totally up to you.

If your going to use a tie down (which I never recommend, but in your case ...) get a nylon one. No bungee action, PLEASE. That can make matters worse. And when properly adjusted the horse will have no choice with his head. I don't advise these because in training horses will rely on it, as will the owners and the horse will lean on it and not work properly.

Let us know what happens!

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Honestly I love having a tiedown on a horse that could smack you in the mouth like that. Rebel almost took my teeth out once when we were still working on his gaming events. Since then I've had a leather tiedown on him and was surprised to find out he's been a little angel. He liked it for competing too. Sorry this is kind of off topic. I'm not sure I would get a nylon one for the trail though, I'd get a leather one. Nylon won't break if something goes wrong. Leather should snap in case of an accident, in theory only of course.


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It's called a counter canter...
...A very advanced maneuver.
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Here is a pic of the culprit. I toolk this pic on the day I got him. He has put on some weight since then but he is not an easy keeper by any means. I dont know why I cant get a pic to upload for my avatar. From what the previous owners have told me a tom thumb is all he has ever been in. But I am all for changing it up and trying to see what will make him happy. And let me tell you.... that boy would get down on his knees and crawl for a treat LOL. He is all about some food. So doing training that involves food is always a good idea in his book. I will try the releasing exercises too as soon as it gets above freezing around here.
Yep...definitely get rid of that Tom Thumb....they belong in the trash. They are THE WORST designed bit from an architectural and mechanical standpoint. Go back to a regular snaffle, I like dee rings myself...and see how it goes. Do you have an arena you can work in to start?
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post #19 of 20 Old 02-12-2012, 02:05 PM Thread Starter
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I am definitely gonna change bits and will let ya'll know what happens. Yeah I have a 60 ft. outdoor round pen in order to work him and try out the new bit. And a leather tie down that doesnt stretch like the nylon bungie one that I have used. You guys are great. Thanks sooo much for all of your advice and help. I will keep you updated

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I am definitely gonna change bits and will let ya'll know what happens. Yeah I have a 60 ft. outdoor round pen in order to work him and try out the new bit. And a leather tie down that doesnt stretch like the nylon bungie one that I have used. You guys are great. Thanks sooo much for all of your advice and help. I will keep you updated
Good. Skip the tie down for a little bit and just work him in the round pen and the walk and trot, and maintain long contact (but light and steady contact) with your reins/hands. You want him to get USED to steady but soft contact, so going too short on him might perpetuate the head throwing. Keep us posted.
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