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        11-06-2008, 07:58 PM
      #31
    Zab
    Yearling
    If he collects (I don't man any fancy pancy collection, just lowering the head, get of the withers and listening to the aids) the head will drop down too. And that's probably what happened when he did lower his head; he relaxed and then came into a nice, natural and low collection, which is what they need not to wear out their backs and legs.

    Why did you care about the head if you didn't care about it looking fancy, and didn't care about how he worked through the body?
         
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        11-06-2008, 08:55 PM
      #32
    Banned
    Here is a picture of waht I mean that he was originally doing:
    (first attached image) ( the best example cause I do realize that I was kinda holding his head up....but when something is bothering him...like pain or he's nervous that is how he'll keep his head)
    And here is what I have now:
    (second attached image) (not the bext example but see how the poll and the withers are kinda on the same line? Like that)


    I'm so bad at saying things...I guess really waht I meant was getting the neck down. I need to pay more attention to stuf like that...cause to me...head, neck, it's all about the same lol
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        11-06-2008, 08:56 PM
      #33
    Banned
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    Originally Posted by SonnyWimps    
    dusty, I just think that it works the horse up more and get's them emotionally crazy. That's just my view on it...and it's been that way for a long time even before I liked Parelli....but it's just my opinion. Also Sonny gets bored easy...so to me it would be very boring and he'd hate it...

    Properly done lunging is neither boring or should result in a horse being emotionally crazy.

    Although I started out simple as my horse does the usual W/T/C but also...passage,piaffe, flying changes, halt to canter..canter to halt and with a second line does half pass, shoulder in and leg yields....all on a lunge.

    Nope not bored at all....and he is ready to ride after or I can leave that lunge work as a complete workout.
         
        11-06-2008, 09:02 PM
      #34
    Banned
    Spyder, even if doing transitions on the lunge line or even while riding...if I am not asking for different patterns, and all this weird stuff (like going on platforms and on tires) he gets bored...and you can tell in his reaction to my cues that something is up. He starts to fight more and doesn't want to co-operate.
    Not sure if you know anything on parelli, but it catagorizes the horses into groups depending on their attitudes. Well Sonny is what you'd call a Left Brained Extrovert....passing all the unimportant stuff, LBE gets extremely bored and fast. Now whether you think the stuff is true, that's up to you....but Sonny does get bored with stuff that the last horse that I rode would enjoy doing
         
        11-07-2008, 05:11 PM
      #35
    Zab
    Yearling
    I understood how you meant, but why did you care about the headset if you didn't care about his frame or colllection? Why not letting him walk as he wants?
         
        11-07-2008, 06:01 PM
      #36
    Yearling
    I know its and old post but its true about the bareback thing. Walk and canter are natural smooth gaits, but trotting is quite bad for their back if you trot bare back alot.
         
        11-07-2008, 06:41 PM
      #37
    Banned
    It's only bad if you are bouncing on their back....if you always have contact and are moving with them it isn't bad for their backs.


    Zab, well originally I thought it was some type of training issue or something....but actually the head up was a pain issue and I've gotten it under control. He lowers his head almost to the ground randomly when trotting and the only time he'll raise it is if he's nervous or there is pain
         
        11-08-2008, 10:27 AM
      #38
    Yearling
    "A girl I knew rode her horse everyday bareback for a couple of months ( only about 30 minutes to 1 hr each day) but after a couple months of this he had pressure sores on his back. She was a very good rider and the horse was in good condition but over time was broke down to the point that she couldn't even ride him with a saddle, he spent several months on pasture rest to heal his back."

    Even if you can sit the trot the motion of it is less 'flowy' and your seatcones still dig in every stride.
         
        11-08-2008, 02:37 PM
      #39
    Banned
    Yes by sitting to it, it can hurt the back...but if you are literally flowing with the trot, as if you are "trotting" yourself you're seat will be moving with him...there will be no bounce at all and no pain for the horse.

    My friend from the stables rides her horse since she got her bareback. Only twice have I seen her ride in a saddle...that was for a trail (though normally she goes bareback for it) and the other was for the show (where she HAD to use a saddle). Her horses back is fine and she's owned her for over 2 years.

    If you are bouncing even the slightest bit all the time while trotting...yes it definitely will ruin the back, but I fail to see how, if you are moving with the horse at the pace they are going, how it would hurt their back.....but maybe I"m not looking at it the right way.
    Also I don't always ride bareback. If I'm just doing light work and not really practicing on anything, then I'll go bareback....but if I'm practicing something where I'll need perfect Balance (or if Sonny is purposely trying to throw off my balance) then I use my saddle.
         
        11-08-2008, 03:55 PM
      #40
    Zab
    Yearling
    I can't quote since it's written in swedish, but I know at least 3 people who had to start riding bareback because of an illfitting saddle, and their horses suddenly gained much more muscles and worked better with them.
    I woas going to show pictures, but can't find them in the bazillion of threads.. -_- but I can PM the rider and ask for before-after photos?

    So either the rider in your story doesn't ride very good in that aspect, or the horse got problems of another reason.

    Quote:
    Originally Posted by moomoo    
    "A girl I knew rode her horse everyday bareback for a couple of months ( only about 30 minutes to 1 hr each day) but after a couple months of this he had pressure sores on his back. She was a very good rider and the horse was in good condition but over time was broke down to the point that she couldn't even ride him with a saddle, he spent several months on pasture rest to heal his back."

    Even if you can sit the trot the motion of it is less 'flowy' and your seatcones still dig in every stride.
         

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