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    08-14-2008, 11:56 PM
That's great! If she already backs up, you're well on your way.

As for leading and slowing down and speeding up--telegraph your moves to the horse, you'd be surprised at how much he watches you. Think of him out in the pasture--the lead horse makes him move with a look, the twitch of an ear, a lifted head, or the position of his feet. Your horse will watch you that closely, too.

Stand straight next to him. Click, say "walk on"--and lean forward just a hair before you start walking. If you want to speed up, lean forward a bit again, click, lift your feet higher, go faster in place for a step or two-then speed up--he'll follow. When you want to slow down, straighten up a bit before slowing down your feet. When you want to stop, stand straight up--as straight as you can (even lean back a hair), slow down in a step or two, then stop.

This really works--horses respond to the body language of other horses, and they will respond to your body language, too, if you pay attention to it and do it consistently. It's not just showmanship tricks or whatever for a horse show--it really, really works. You train a dog to heel the same way. Animals watch us--they watch our hands, our shoulders, our feet, our faces--they really do. That's how they communicate with each other, and that's how you can communicate with them.

Signal what you want a step or two before asking for it, and you two will be in sync in no time.
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    08-15-2008, 01:02 AM
Green Broke
We'll work on it thanks :)

Still open for more advice need as much as I can get
    08-15-2008, 01:25 AM
I apologise if I repeat anything:

I would look more at pain rather than respect issues. I went through all this respect stuff with jarred who was doing exactly the same things as chance only worse and it all came down to back problems. Some horses show pain differently. With possum I had absolutely no idea she had a back problem as she never showed and always did what I asked her. Where as jarred was a different story. He showed his discomfort not only under saddle but on the ground as well. He was grumpy allll the time and would frequently kick and bite and carry on. Since I got the chiro out he's been great.
    08-15-2008, 01:18 PM
After I ruled out pain , I would follow what arrow said. Also if you feel unsafe, carry a small crop with you. Anytime she invades your space, pop her with that ( try not to hit her head, may cause head shyness) and back her up to get out of your space. I would not stop riding her, but maybe set aside 2 or 3 days for groundwork, then ride 2 days or so.
    08-15-2008, 06:35 PM
Green Broke
Thanks everyone, I know its not pain because usually before I ride or do anything hard I check for pain or heat. So far nothing ill check her over tomorrow aswell.

Ill definitely work on what arrow said ill let you guys know how it goes..

So basicly just business catch, groom, tack, ride for an hour or so cool down, tie, untack, groom one moretime, or hose her off. Then ill let her graze in hand, then put her away.

On no riding days work on leading around, staying out of my space, standing while being groomed. Hand grazing or maybe walking in hand on trails again that would go with work on leading. Make sure she gets my permission before even trying to put her head down to eat.

So absolutly no lunging?? Untill I get some respect? Do this for a month or so?
    08-15-2008, 07:51 PM
That's what I'd personally do. If you don't have anything specific to work on with the lunging--voice commands, or something--I wouldn't do it. I'd make her do her job--take you for rides, or work on staying out of your space, period. Why not just do it for a week, and if it doesn't seem to be having any effect, you could go back to trying to solve your lunging problems? Try what I've suggested for 7 days (see the horse every day, if you, but at least 5 of those days), then evaluate the situation again. I think you'll see a difference, but your horse may prove me wrong!
    08-15-2008, 08:45 PM
Green Broke
Okay ill definitely tell you how it goes check back here or check for a new post on friday next friday.
    08-17-2008, 08:37 PM

I know it sounds mean, but you need to crack her with the lunge whip, especially if she is turning in to you and not giving you your space. This bad habit can get more dangerous the more you allow it. As soon as she gets off the wall, snap her in the chest, or even hit the ground in front of her to re-focus. Good luck
    08-17-2008, 10:25 PM
Green Broke
Um sorry but no I can't she use to be abused by whips and im not going to be another one of those owners she use to have, I do crack the whip on the ground or in the air and thay just makes her gallop around still cutting in im going to try what arrow said for a while and if that doesnt work I may use some force.

Either way lately she hasnt invaded my space while leading.
    08-30-2008, 10:54 PM
How are things going with your horse, any updates?

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