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        06-07-2013, 01:53 PM
      #21
    Super Moderator
    If a green rider had brought this horse onto my yard as a boarder I'd be advising them to take it back ASAP.
    You want to learn to be a good rider then initially you need a horse that's going to help you do that - not one that will challenge you every inch of the way and take advantage of your inexperience
    If you're determined to stick it out then you must get a good trainer to work with that can watch and advise and tell you what you may be doing wrong so you know how to correct it and be sure you are actually asking the horse in the right way and not confusing it.
    Clinton is full of good advice but PLEASE remember he is very experienced, very tough, very confident and strong and knows exactly where to place himself to stay out of trouble
    Your horse was trained by bullying and aggression and horses like that soon figure out if a new owner isn't like that and they turn the tables and become the bullies themselves. They don't make the best 'first horses'
    Hope you can work things out but don't forget riding is supposed to be fun
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        06-07-2013, 02:07 PM
      #22
    Started
    My horse is generally a well-behave fellow, but I can tell minutes into the ride if he is going to be in one of "those moods". It rarely happens and it is not anything I can't control, but he'll give a buck or two at the canter. When this happens, all hell breaks loose in his world. He gets smacked on the butt with a dressage whip (which I always carry and rarely use for more than a small tap) kicked and spun around in circles, and then made to go onward. After such occasions, he is always a perfect angel for the rest of the ride. If I say go, he says how fast, and you get the picture. I ONLY get after him like that if he does something unacceptable like bucking, and because I make the work post buck so much harder than simply cantering around the arena the issue almost never presents itself. When it does, he is in for a rude awakening.
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        06-07-2013, 02:46 PM
      #23
    Foal
    This is getting out of hand. He is not my first horse just the first one that has acted up. If there is a behavior I don't want I will correct it. I have made a ton of progress and he will learn to ride the way I want him to. He will know my cues. The only way I can mess up is if I let him develop bad habits. I am perfectly confident in what I am doing because I have researched and it is working. He gets better everyday and that is what is supposed to happen if I need help I will call a trainer but if you can't train your own horse to do what YOU want it to do that is when you need a trainer. I have a recreational horse he needs to listen to me and behave on trails. If I want him to do something he has not yet been trained to do then I will teach him myself to the best of my ability. He is mine he is not dangerous and I will call a trainer if I so please.

    Correction all horses are dangerous I am aware of that I mean I am not stupid enough to push him beyond his or my own level.
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        06-07-2013, 04:10 PM
      #24
    Trained
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    This is getting out of hand. He is not my first horse just the first one that has acted up. If there is a behavior I don't want I will correct it. I have made a ton of progress and he will learn to ride the way I want him to. He will know my cues. The only way I can mess up is if I let him develop bad habits. I am perfectly confident in what I am doing because I have researched and it is working. He gets better everyday and that is what is supposed to happen if I need help I will call a trainer but if you can't train your own horse to do what YOU want it to do that is when you need a trainer. I have a recreational horse he needs to listen to me and behave on trails. If I want him to do something he has not yet been trained to do then I will teach him myself to the best of my ability. He is mine he is not dangerous and I will call a trainer if I so please.

    Correction all horses are dangerous I am aware of that I mean I am not stupid enough to push him beyond his or my own level.
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    HUH?? You are the one who came here stating that you were a "pretty green rider". YOU are the one who asked if it was OK for you to smack your horse on the butt, which, pretty much gets answered in about the first 5 lesson sessions anywhere I have been. This really tells me you ARE pretty inexperienced.

    Not sure what you think is "out of hand"? People saying you need to control your horse? Tell you what. You do exactly what YOU want with YOUR horse, with all the butterfly kisses you want, and you will see out of hand. Guaranteed.

    Enjoy your horse, and stay safe. I am out. Good luck.
         
        06-07-2013, 04:24 PM
      #25
    Foal
    I meant people telling me to send the horse back. That doesn't help my problem. A trainer I am not against but some people are telling me that I shouldn't be on him. That is what bothered me sorry for the confusion
         
        06-07-2013, 05:02 PM
      #26
    Trained
    I find you are handling this thread pretty well. I think we need to remember everyone, we have seen inexperienced riders with green horses cause hell on this forum. Black TWH legitimately wants to learn and is taking our advice, and I think it is great that she says she is making progress. Like she said as well, she will get him to a trainer soon.

    I want to reassure you that ALL of these problems are fixable. I can tell from working at a trainer's and getting to work with problem horses but also because my mare used to a saddle bronc. I mean really, she'd blow up at random times for no reason, and it was really bad. It's funny because I've never fallen off of her, but I thought for sure she'd find a way to kill me one of these days. But check her out now...


    Keep us updated :)
         
        06-07-2013, 05:19 PM
      #27
    Foal
    Thank you all very much. I'm sorry I got frustrated. I appreciate everything everyone has said. And Sorrel your horse looks great :) that's awesome.
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        06-07-2013, 05:36 PM
      #28
    Foal
    In a nutshell - be firm, be persistant. Keep him MOVING, keep those feet moving and he can't go UP. Don't be afraid to smack him - carry a crop, it is not a "weapon" it is a basic extension of your hand, it can reach where you cannot physically without putting yourself out of position/balance. Work on him moving off your leg - forward AND sideways. Use your voice, don't be afraid to be FIRM.

    There is no physical way you could "smack" him with your bare hand or a crop harder than another horse could kick him unless you literally let your temper get out of hand (which from your posts I don't really see happening).


    I deal with youngsters all day long. The trainer we just sent our 2 y.o. Too was quite pleased to have a colt in his barn that "understood his place" but yet still has that "fire" in him. He likes to remind me that that will likely change while he is there - at home he is out in the gelding herd to help remember his manners, there he is solo - but I kindly reminded him that while I don't mind him having "attitude" at no point to I want to find out he has been allowed to become an "alpha" when in hand. The guy had not seen us work him before and allowed me the time to pull him out and work him with my daughter under foot like we did at home. When we were done he said that now he understood why the colt was the way he was - I expect obedience, I don't tolerate foolishness, I allow a bit of playfulness, but I expect respect and him to stay out of my space. He watched him stand while brushed by my 3 year old (with me lifting her up), she rubbed his legs (with me standing there), I lift his feet and she cleaned them, then he dropped his head for his hugs & kisses when I was done. Through that he was corrected verbally a few times and each time he moved back to where he was. Nothing that consistancy and time didnt teach. You'll mange it. Just don't be afraid to get after him when he needs it.
         
        06-07-2013, 06:29 PM
      #29
    Trained
    I think it's worth pointing out, that the swiftness of the correction is far more important than the force of it. A well timed small pop of the crop on the butt immediately after the moment of disobedience is far more effective than a harder, longer whop that was applied too late. Horse's respond to quickness. If you do it quickly enough, you can pretty much just flick him with the lash and still get your point across. To the horse that says, "I didn't hurt you, but I could have if I wanted to". John Lyons once said something to the effect of, any time a horse does something bad, you have 3 seconds to make his life miserable. After that it is absolutely useless.

    Also, any time you use a loud aid for any correction, it is important to go back and give the horse the opportunity to do the thing you wanted correctly a second time. Hopefully, at worst, you will only have to use a lighter correction. It sounds like you are making great progress. You've obviously got the trainer gene in you.
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        06-07-2013, 06:32 PM
      #30
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    I'm sorry but your first post seems to have given some mixed messages because you did say you were a green rider and asking if a smack on the butt was OK - not something an experienced rider would be asking
    The horse was sold to you as suitable and sensible then turned out not to be, rearing is a pretty dangerous vice for a green rider to take on and even as an experienced rider I wouldn't buy a rearer unless it was a freebie or close to that but if you're confident you can deal with it then I wish you the best of luck.
    Whatever anyone says to you the problem is yours. If you ask for opinions then you have to accept that they might not always be the ones you want to hear but no one was rude or offensive
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