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        06-08-2013, 06:55 AM
      #31
    Green Broke
    Most problems people end up having with their horses comes from the owner/handler not knowing enough to be dealing with the horse, coupled with the "I don't want to make my horsey mad at me".

    And it does not matter HOW kid safe a horse is, or how well trained. IF that horse picks up that the owner has no clue? Then you end up with a spoiled, resistant horse.

    And your attitude as to you should be able to train your own horse, would be like you going to an Electricians Forum and telling those people that "everyone that lives in a house should be able to be able to wire their own house." See how far that gets you.

    As for the whole "horse can't rear if moving forwards" thought? The problem with that is too often the rider can NOT get the horse to move forwards at all. And if you think that a horse only rears if it is "confused or conflicted"? Then you need to rethink that.

    Horses rear quite often because they have learned it is a way to get out of doing something. Or because they want to test to see if it will get rider scared.

    Also, repeatedly cantering horse in circles for a long time to "punish them" accomplishes nothing. Tires horse out for that time, but so what? Horses do not stand around and think "man, I had to run around in circles for 2 hours, I am not going to do that again" and resolve to do better next time.

    Much of the problems you are having? Comes from your mindset of "I don't want to be forceful, I want my horsey to love me and be trained" which is wrong one to have. The rest come from your inexperience.

    Horse has found out you don't have a clue. We have found out that you, like so many others, want to make excuses for horse and yourself, and want to argue with people who know more than you do about horses, their handling, and problems therein.

    As FnB said? You have in no way solved anything, horse will just regroup. As for watching CA? I can think of no one worse to watch.
         
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        06-08-2013, 09:10 AM
      #32
    Foal
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Palomine    
    Most problems people end up having with their horses comes from the owner/handler not knowing enough to be dealing with the horse, coupled with the "I don't want to make my horsey mad at me".

    And it does not matter HOW kid safe a horse is, or how well trained. IF that horse picks up that the owner has no clue? Then you end up with a spoiled, resistant horse.

    And your attitude as to you should be able to train your own horse, would be like you going to an Electricians Forum and telling those people that "everyone that lives in a house should be able to be able to wire their own house." See how far that gets you.

    As for the whole "horse can't rear if moving forwards" thought? The problem with that is too often the rider can NOT get the horse to move forwards at all. And if you think that a horse only rears if it is "confused or conflicted"? Then you need to rethink that.

    Horses rear quite often because they have learned it is a way to get out of doing something. Or because they want to test to see if it will get rider scared.

    Also, repeatedly cantering horse in circles for a long time to "punish them" accomplishes nothing. Tires horse out for that time, but so what? Horses do not stand around and think "man, I had to run around in circles for 2 hours, I am not going to do that again" and resolve to do better next time.

    Much of the problems you are having? Comes from your mindset of "I don't want to be forceful, I want my horsey to love me and be trained" which is wrong one to have. The rest come from your inexperience.

    Horse has found out you don't have a clue. We have found out that you, like so many others, want to make excuses for horse and yourself, and want to argue with people who know more than you do about horses, their handling, and problems therein.

    As FnB said? You have in no way solved anything, horse will just regroup. As for watching CA? I can think of no one worse to watch.
    Ok This is your opinion and I appreciate that however. My horse has not reared again since I was aggressive one time and hasn't even tried.

    With the cantering just a few times my horse now comes to an absolute complete stop with very light pressure and me leaning back in the saddle and will not move without my cue.

    He is learning to back up and he doesn't even think of rearing because he knows I now will not allow it.

    He comes to me in the pasture.

    He goes into the areas he used to rear before going into without question. And everyday he is getting better.

    Don't tell me I can't because everyone is a trainer for their own horse. Everyday I go out he is either better or worse. He is getting better and I have found a lot of information that has helped me. And I have found a lot of things I didn't realize he was doing to disrespect me that seemed small and fixing those has fixed a lot of his other disrespect issues. We are bonding and he is realizing I am the lead mare. I will have someone help me but you don't know how much time I have put into him or how far we have come. At first I didn't know what I was doing but I am learning and so is he. And I actually talked to a trainer yesterday who said keep doing absolutely everything I am doing. So I am working on his problems and in a little time his bad habits will not be an issue. His only other advice was work on backing him on the ground.
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        06-08-2013, 09:14 AM
      #33
    Foal
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by MGTS    
    In a nutshell - be firm, be persistant. Keep him MOVING, keep those feet moving and he can't go UP. Don't be afraid to smack him - carry a crop, it is not a "weapon" it is a basic extension of your hand, it can reach where you cannot physically without putting yourself out of position/balance. Work on him moving off your leg - forward AND sideways. Use your voice, don't be afraid to be FIRM.

    There is no physical way you could "smack" him with your bare hand or a crop harder than another horse could kick him unless you literally let your temper get out of hand (which from your posts I don't really see happening).


    I deal with youngsters all day long. The trainer we just sent our 2 y.o. Too was quite pleased to have a colt in his barn that "understood his place" but yet still has that "fire" in him. He likes to remind me that that will likely change while he is there - at home he is out in the gelding herd to help remember his manners, there he is solo - but I kindly reminded him that while I don't mind him having "attitude" at no point to I want to find out he has been allowed to become an "alpha" when in hand. The guy had not seen us work him before and allowed me the time to pull him out and work him with my daughter under foot like we did at home. When we were done he said that now he understood why the colt was the way he was - I expect obedience, I don't tolerate foolishness, I allow a bit of playfulness, but I expect respect and him to stay out of my space. He watched him stand while brushed by my 3 year old (with me lifting her up), she rubbed his legs (with me standing there), I lift his feet and she cleaned them, then he dropped his head for his hugs & kisses when I was done. Through that he was corrected verbally a few times and each time he moved back to where he was. Nothing that consistancy and time didnt teach. You'll mange it. Just don't be afraid to get after him when he needs it.
    Thank you :) I am really working on staying absolutely consistent and keeping everything the same as not to confuse him.
         
        06-08-2013, 09:31 AM
      #34
    Foal
    I just wanted to clear a few things up. I began working with a buddy sour horse about six months ago. She was my sister's horse that hadn't been ridden in a long time. I got her to be able to ride in the pasture with her buddy to ride in our riding area. It started with a little bit of time but eventually I could keep her out for a couple hours. We did however have a third horse.

    Our third horse was very old and died. This made the buddy in the pasture obviously very distressed. The bond between the two grew stronger and then my horse became dangerous for me to take out. I needed a trainer for her yes but I couldn't afford one and my parents wanted to sell her as it was my sister's not mine. That and I didn't even think to hit her because again I read it in a training article that you shouldn't hit a horse that is scared and she was obviously afraid to leave her buddy. That I know for a fact I needed help with.

    Long story short I put three months everyday working her to where I could ride her and our third horse died. My parents sold her and I was devastated.

    I bought my own horse and am now doing everything I can to do this right. I never had to hit the other one because a couple circles when she acted up was enough and she rarely if ever acted up. And when she got too distressed I walked her back to her buddy for awhile then went out again noting her body language to see where she was comfortable. I am going to take him to a trainer but please realize my parents are only helping a little and I work at a fast food restaurant not exactly ideal for paying for extensive horse things. He needs feed, and shoes, and vet care and I need gas. I am consulting with a lot of people one being a trainer others are experienced horse riders. My question resulted from me reading more than one article that said never ever is it ok to hit/punish a horse and was completely confused.
         
        06-08-2013, 09:41 AM
      #35
    Weanling
    What everyone is saying on this thread is true..im paying the consequences of given to much love to miover, he now walks all over me...you tube can help, but you need 1 on 1 help,..every horse is different, so ur horse maybe different to the one on internet and have different requirements of training methods...horses are not stupid..they know who they can pull it over.

    A horse can work fine for 1, but if a begginner gets on, they act totally different and testy...i for 1 am prime example of that

    Go look at my thread..horse leading...i am a prime example of being a softy, and it does NOT get you anywhere esp with an ottb they have plenty of tricksup there sleeve!
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        06-08-2013, 09:50 AM
      #36
    Foal
    I am no softy lol. I just thought that if the internet said it on a bunch of sources maybe there was a way without the smacking. I know better now and I can demand respect because in all honesty he is a very heavy animal that has the potential to kill me.
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        06-08-2013, 10:01 AM
      #37
    Weanling
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by BlackTWH    
    I just wanted to clear a few things up. I began working with a buddy sour horse about six months ago. She was my sister's horse that hadn't been ridden in a long time. I got her to be able to ride in the pasture with her buddy to ride in our riding area. It started with a little bit of time but eventually I could keep her out for a couple hours. We did however have a third horse.

    Our third horse was very old and died. This made the buddy in the pasture obviously very distressed. The bond between the two grew stronger and then my horse became dangerous for me to take out. I needed a trainer for her yes but I couldn't afford one and my parents wanted to sell her as it was my sister's not mine. That and I didn't even think to hit her because again I read it in a training article that you shouldn't hit a horse that is scared and she was obviously afraid to leave her buddy. That I know for a fact I needed help with.

    Long story short I put three months everyday working her to where I could ride her and our third horse died. My parents sold her and I was devastated.

    I bought my own horse and am now doing everything I can to do this right. I never had to hit the other one because a couple circles when she acted up was enough and she rarely if ever acted up. And when she got too distressed I walked her back to her buddy for awhile then went out again noting her body language to see where she was comfortable. I am going to take him to a trainer but please realize my parents are only helping a little and I work at a fast food restaurant not exactly ideal for paying for extensive horse things. He needs feed, and shoes, and vet care and I need gas. I am consulting with a lot of people one being a trainer others are experienced horse riders. My question resulted from me reading more than one article that said never ever is it ok to hit/punish a horse and was completely confused.
    ur horse does NOT care if he kicks you, ur horse does NOT care he reared you off, it is NOT okay for him to do that, a tap on the rear aint going to solve that

    Last time like 6 months ago miover turned his butt to me because I wanted him out of my space I gave him a big smack on the butt, he sure did move and never did that again, but that doesnt mean he wont try it again.

    Lunging he took to charging at me, my mistake I moved away from him, he WON he knew he could move my feet.

    This is a very good clip of how a mumma horse teaching foal manners
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        06-08-2013, 10:15 AM
      #38
    Foal
    Thanks that is what I have been trying to do.
         
        06-08-2013, 10:18 AM
      #39
    Weanling
    Yeah me to they make it look easy LOL...ive tried their version of nip on but and miover stops and raises head LOL
         
        06-08-2013, 06:51 PM
      #40
    Green Broke
    BlackTWH, I understand where you are coming from. A friend got a new horse that had hardly been handled. I worked with the horse so I could get the hooves cleaned. While cleaning one of his back hooves, he tried to kick me. My first reaction was to smack him with my hand. He wasn't very trusting to begin with and that undid all the work I had done to be able to clean his hooves.

    So yes there are times hitting a horse is bad. However, that doesn't mean you should never smack them.

    Use as little pressure as possible but as much as necessary. Ask, tell, demand. Sometimes to demand, you need to give them a tap, smack or even a whack.
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