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    07-20-2009, 01:42 PM
Green Broke
When you ride have someone who knows what they are doing watch you. You may feel like you don't need a trainer now, but you will soon. I can tell you are scared of your horse doing this again, this anexiety will only make things worse. When I break a horse I personally don't start off with a bit. I take 2 chain leadropes, I put one over ther horses nose and the other under the horses chin. But in your case I wouldn't do that. Mustangs and Halflingers are known to be bullheaded and to be pushy. I have a half halflinger of my own and I wouldn't be caught dead riding him without a curb bit he pulls thro everything else.

Actually halflingers are excellent jumpers. My half halflinger taught children to jump for 2 years in pony club. There are many excellent successful halflingers that jump.

Start off small. Don't push. Wait till you feel the horse is /ready/ to trot. If you have only only walk for a week then do it. I would never trot a green horse untill I have full controll at the walk. And I would never canter a horse untill I have full control at the trot. Especially with Halflingers its hard to get thro to their heads. They are stubborn. You give them an inch and they will take a mile. This horse already knows it can get away with what it did. Chances are it will do it again. Don't just get off when your horse does something bad. It WILL learn that if it scares you enough you will get off. My pony learned that at the age of 2. He is 9 now and till this day he spooks for kicks to try to get you scared. Get a trainer, or someone who knows what they are doing to help you.
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    07-20-2009, 01:51 PM
I know haflingers are good with smaller jumps (like up to 3 foot or 3'6"), but when was the last time you heard of a haflinger in the olympics? Seriously, most horses, of any breed, can't jump 6 feet if their lives depended on it. Haha, I'm training a haflinger to jump now and he's great. It's funny you say you only ride with a curb, with this haflinger, I use a halter and reins. He doesn't like bits, even snaffles so I just stopped using them.
    07-20-2009, 02:02 PM
Green Broke
My halfinger cross is a bully to say the least. Its in their character to be pushy and arrogent. Some halfingers are the exception. But if you let them get away with anything chances are they will run with it. Halflingers are a very cunning breed. When a horse has a rush of excitement its amazing what they can do. I have a little 15hh QH and pulled my barn door completely off. Just like humans when you get a rush its amazing what you can do. I wouldn't doubt that a horse when it was scared or darn well determined could jump 6ft. Wether it was actually 6ft it debateable, the fact that that horse is over 15.2 is debatable. But iv seen horses do some pretty insane things when they put their minds to it.
    07-20-2009, 08:35 PM
I had a Welsh cross who was barely 14 hh jump 5'5 cattle panels when I was young...he was stubborn, bullheaded, and determined to not get caught sometimes, and apparantly, when he wanted to be, was a very athletic jumper...I think at times, size is irrelavant, as is breed...

To the OP...I hope you can figure out what to do with this horse, because she sounds like she could be an amazing horse!
    07-20-2009, 09:11 PM
Green Broke
Actually haflingers are used in 3-day eventing, show jumping, etc. More-so in their country of origin, Austria, but it is becoming more popular to jump haffies here in the US.

Here is a stallion in Austria - that is a 5 foot jump:

My haflinger made it overa 5 foot panel when he was still in the middle of recovering from EPM. I could only imagine what he could do now if I asked him. Heck - here is the freaky picture of him when he was a yearling. He was not asked to take this jump, just did when they had him loose in the arena for photos. He didn't know the meaning of "overkill".

Mustangs are also known for making it over fencing - that is why the BLM requires 6 foot panels, but warns the horses still can make it over if they want. The jumping part wasn't making me question weather this was really a mustangXhaflinger, but the supposid hieght (I assume 15.5 hands is really 15.2 hands) really has me wondering.
    07-20-2009, 10:17 PM
Trained right, most horses will work great in a snaffle. I personally don't ride in anything but a french link loose ring, and I've ridden or trained arabians, quarter horses, tbs, warmbloods, saddlebreds, all who work great in that bit. I have only started one horse in a bosal, every other horse was started in a snaffle, you just have to be careful about not pulling on her mouth excessively with a bit. I have known of 14+ hand haflingers, as well as Mustangs that are 15+ hands, so it is possible to have a 15.2 hand Mustang Haflinger cross. Size does not matter when it comes to jumping ability. I know of a horse that went to the olympics one year that was a 14-14.2 hand (can't remember the exact size) I believe arabian for show jumping, so it is possible for a small horse to be able to jump big. I do think that you need to do a lot more ground work before getting on her again, enlist the help of a trainer, and ask about, and or look up ground driving, as I have had wonderful success especially with the more stubborn horses if I do ground driving and get that down well, before getting on. Good luck, hope that she gets better.
    07-20-2009, 10:20 PM
Oh, and in the picture from austria, I'm surprised that the guy is jumping so far ahead of the saddle, and the horse. But that is an amazing jump, and a good looking horse. Love the haflinger over jumping the fence. I had a tb that was trained to grand prix level jumping, and when I would jump her over the 2-3 foot stuff in pony club, she'd jump it like it was a 5 foot fence lol. Def. Made me more confident when the fence actually WAS 5 feet.
    07-21-2009, 01:11 AM
Originally Posted by dressagebelle    
Trained right, most horses will work great in a snaffle. .
I have to agree with this post...Although, I use Rope Halters too. What a horse rides in 'shouldn't' be determined necessarily by how much control you need...if you need that much control, perhaps the horse needs to go back to the basic fundamentals of respect for his handler, or the rider needs to go back to the basic fundamentals of horsemanship.

Every horse I train will ride out and respond in a rope halter and plain snaffle; whether the owner puts a different bit in later is up to them, but those are what they are taught to respond to.

Oh boy...ooops...sorry to the OP...I think we just got a 'teensy bit' off topic!
    07-21-2009, 12:00 PM
Green Broke
I agree completely with all that was said. But I still remain on my point that halflingers are bull headed and stubborn. Its just their character. Give them an inch and they will take a mile. They are cunning and clever. But my main point is. Ride with someone watching who knows what they are doing.
    07-21-2009, 01:30 PM
Oh. My. God. What a disaster. How old are you?

This horse clearly needs LOTS more groundwork.

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