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    09-02-2012, 10:22 PM
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Weanling
Question Help with a green horse!

Me again with another update on my Mellow!

Last Friday I finally got out to the pasture to go for a ride; husband took care of the baby for me and told me to get out of the house. I didn't complain (on a side note, I'm getting my fence put up this week which means I'll have my horses on my property again after two years).

I know how Ginger is, so I'm not too worried about any training with her-- she knows how to lunge, and as long as I do a little ground work with her to get out her bucks and energy we're good to go. I decided I'd give Mellow another try since I hadn't really ridden him in... ever. There's the video of him trotting, and that was the only time I'd ridden him in earnest before last week. Some of the members here said he looked a little green from the video. We're not entirely sure of his training, but he knows how to take a bit and stands to be saddled. I think that he knows how to behave and has just been allowed to get away with being naughty-- for example, he usually kicks his back feet when they have to be trimmed (he stands for his front), but it only took my farrier three minutes to get him to stand still without using any sort of brute force (he just held up his front foot so he couldn't kick the back one while he felt up the back leg). However that has to be a lot of reinforcement when you swap sides because it's like he forgets what just happened when going from one side to the other. It's the same with fly spray. He has a panic attack when I start spraying but after a few pumps he's fine, but then he repeats the action on the other side. It's odd.

Anyway, all that to say that he's gotten much better about being caught (he's actually come up to me once or twice), and so I decided that it was high time I got to use his new English tack. I learned that he doesn't know how to lunge-- I would stand him, put some distance between us with me slightly behind him, then tap at his rump with the lunge whip and he'd turn around and walk over to me. So, there's that. He stood while I mounted (which was new for me because Ginger almost always walks off and I have to start over), and he did all right in the round pen.

Silly me, I should have stayed there.

I decided that since he was listening so well that we could go out into the pasture. I never lost control of him, even though he is a very quick pony-- quick walk, even quicker trot. I never let him get past a walk for fear of not being able to rein him in, but he did great... until we got to his pasture mates. Then he planted those little hooves and refused to move. I spun him in circles until I was dizzy and he still refused to listen. At one point he bucked a little (not enough to even lose my balance), and it was at that point that I decided I'd had enough and I hopped off and led him back to the round pen, took his tack off, and put him back into his pasture.

I know I probably shouldn't have given up on him when I got back to the round pen to teach him that that behavior is not okay (though I didn't give him his grain), but it was getting late and I needed to get home.

So, point being, here are my questions:
1- How do I teach him to lunge? Ginger already knew how, and Duncan learned by doing it with her-- I was planning on using the same technique once I got them at home and had time.

2- How can I keep him from being so herd bound when we ride? I often have to ride alone, and I don't have more than one pasture to put him in to separate him from Ginger.
     
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    09-02-2012, 10:44 PM
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I have written a ton on how to start lunging a horse and don't want to rewrite it all here, so go and do a search on "how to get my horse to lunge" , or something like that and see what has been said on this subject. It will be enourmously helpful to you.

Riding a hrose out into a field with his buddies, when you hardely know him, is a pretty sure recipe for failure. It is very likely that he will decide to be "with" them rather than with you. And if they decide to go cantering off across the pasture, you will be taken for a ride. If that doesn't bother you, well have at it then. Some folks don't mind that, and have fun, and I guess it is fun. But don't fool yourself into thinking that you are 'riding' that horse. You are just a passenger on his back. There's a world of difference.

If you have a place to ride him that is seperate, it will make things easeir for you. And working with him on the ground, as is written about in endless threads here on groundwork , will help build you as a leader.

Again, if you don't care and just want to be a passenger, that is ok too, just a bit riskier.

YOur taking him out there and allowing him to stop/buck until you had to get off was a bad thing. It is now more likely that this will happen again the next time. What worked once , will work twice, says the horse with the excellent memory. So, you really wont' be able to do this without the same results until you have better control of him in the roundpen or arena or whereever is away from the others.
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    09-02-2012, 10:54 PM
  #3
Weanling
Yeah, when I got into the car I was mad at myself for letting him get the better of me. I know he's got a decent memory, but that's why I mentioned about the fly spray in particular-- it's like he forgets that the spray isn't going to hurt him for the first few sprays and then he gets over it. But this happens every single time I pull out the spray bottle.

And believe me, I don't want to just be a passenger. That's a frightening prospect. I suppose part of me thought it would be all right because back when I just had Ginger (a QH) and Duncan (my little pony) I could ride Ginger out in the pasture-- even bareback-- with Duncan without a problem because he would just follow along like a puppy, and when he would gallop ahead in the pasture it was easy to keep Ginger in check because she just didn't care; sure, she wanted to be in the pasture with him, but it didn't matter to her if he was next to her or not. -eyeroll- Silly me.

I'm hoping to be able to build a round pen after the main fence gets put up this week, but it might not be for a while.

Like I said, I think he's just gotten spoiled and needs someone to put him back in his place. I'm just not sure of the right route to take.
     
    09-02-2012, 11:06 PM
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Originally Posted by musicalmarie1    
Yeah, when I got into the car I was mad at myself for letting him get the better of me. I know he's got a decent memory, but that's why I mentioned about the fly spray in particular-- it's like he forgets that the spray isn't going to hurt him for the first few sprays and then he gets over it. But this happens every single time I pull out the spray bottle.



horses's brains are such that what they learn on one side does not automatically translate to the other side. They must be taught each side from the beginining. So, you have to do fly spray work on both side.s. If the horse isn't done regularly on both sides, it will feel like a "new" experience. Also, it is possible that you never really worked him THROUGH this anxiety. You got as far as him tolerating it but not to the point of being "ok" with it. Very diffenent.

Can you flyspray him while he is walking around and around you on about a 5 foot length of line? Or will he only tolerate it if he is standing still but practically shaking with terror, and just flinching and waiting for you to be done? One is ok, the other is mental freezing/toleration.

And believe me, I don't want to just be a passenger. That's a frightening prospect. I suppose part of me thought it would be all right because back when I just had Ginger (a QH) and Duncan (my little pony) I could ride Ginger out in the pasture-- even bareback-- with Duncan without a problem because he would just follow along like a puppy, and when he would gallop ahead in the pasture it was easy to keep Ginger in check because she just didn't care; sure, she wanted to be in the pasture with him, but it didn't matter to her if he was next to her or not. -eyeroll- Silly me.


That must have been fun! Some horses are like that.


I'm hoping to be able to build a round pen after the main fence gets put up this week, but it might not be for a while.

Like I said, I think he's just gotten spoiled and needs someone to put him back in his place. I'm just not sure of the right route to take.
If this new horse is turning out to present challenges that Ginger never did, then could you find a mentor or trainer t give you a few hands on hours of help? It's very hard to learn from just this forum, or even a video.
It's hard to have time and money with a baby at home, so maybe you can find a local teen who has a good firm hand with horses and can help you, in exchange they can ride and excersize your horse a couple times a week.
     
    09-03-2012, 08:50 AM
  #5
Weanling
I only do the fly spray when he's on a long line and is allowed to run around me. I tried once to spray him tied up, and he nearly ran me into the fence; I had to hop over to get out from between him and the boards. So I decided not to try that again!

My farrier had mentioned that a horse's brain worked like that, and that's why he had to work with him on both sides to stand for having his back feet trimmed.

Once he stops running from the spray, and once he gets his back feet started, he just stands-- no shaking, no heavy breathing, ears forward and relaxed. He's a strange one!

I hopeful that daily attention from me will make things better-- I can't even express how excited I am.
     
    09-03-2012, 09:10 AM
  #6
Trained
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Originally Posted by tinyliny    
riding a hrose out into a field with his buddies, when you hardely know him, is a pretty sure recipe for failure. It is very likely that he will decide to be "with" them rather than with you. And if they decide to go cantering off across the pasture, you will be taken for a ride. If that doesn't bother you, well have at it then. Some folks don't mind that, and have fun, and I guess it is fun. But don't fool yourself into thinking that you are 'riding' that horse. You are just a passenger on his back. There's a world of difference.
Yes. It takes a good, seasoned, disciplined horse to ride in a pasture with other horses. Not only does your horse need to stay focused on you, but you may need to avoid heels being kicked up from playful and excited buddies. Our penner is the only one that I will ride in the pasture with the younger ones.
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