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    09-05-2007, 07:04 AM
It's so weird she was perfect when I rode her before and now she bucks and I can't go too fast becuase the faster I go the more horses lose ther attention in you. If I turn her she side passes, if I put my heel in her side to make her move back over, she takes it as a cue to run.
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    09-05-2007, 07:09 PM
Lunging can be helpful to get some of the buck out. The problem with lunging though, is that if they are persistant about a habit, lunging only conditions them so that they have more endurance to do it when you are riding. Be careful about not just lunging your horse in endless circles to tire the buck out of her. It will take more and more circles over time to do so.

You need to really work on feeling her body and reading the signs that say she is about to buck. When you think she is about to buck, make sure you keep her head UP. When she does buck, pull her head up and in to one side and then drive her. Do not reward her by stopping, getting off, or falling off when she bucks (I know the falling off can be hard to control when they are good at bucking, but do your best). When she bucks drive her hard in a small circle asking for a fast trot, but taking whatever gait she can do in a circle too small to buck in. Make sure her head in level or up a bit (not down) and turned into the circle quite a bit. Don't let her plant her front end, keep her moving until she feels exhausted. Then continue relaxed and straight, and ask for the canter again. Repeat until she is departing at the canter without funny business.

She has already been rewarded in a sense for bucking by you falling off. If you don't feel like you can stay on and work through the buck, I would ask someone else to work on this phase for you. Horses her age and for the next couple of years (at different stages in their training) will test their riders in different ways. You have to be ready or have someone who will be ready to show them that thier little games aren't accepable (like children :) ).

I don't know if my suggestion will work for you - different things for different horses and different people :)

Good luck
    09-05-2007, 10:29 PM
Most definitely, you have to discipline her on the lunge as well as under saddle. Even if she's just energetic and playful, she needs to learn its never acceptable.
    09-05-2007, 10:55 PM
AKPaintLover could not be more right, good post.
There is only a few ways to fix a buck and that is to stat on and ride it out and make her work after she bucks.
    09-06-2007, 06:15 PM
Well put. Thanx a bunch. I don't agree with the falling off a reward though. I couldn't really control that. Lol
    09-06-2007, 09:47 PM
Not an intentional reward :)

The horse doesn't care whether you wanted to come off or not. Fact is you did come off, and she got to have her little fun bucking fest without consequence. By the time you are able to get back on her, it is too late for an effective consequence.

I did come off my stallion when he reared one time. I was bareback so I just sort of slipped right off. Luckily I landed on my feet and somehow still had a hold of him. When we landed, I went after him like I was a horse eating monster and drove him backwards across the length of our arena. Needless to say, that was when he was three years old, and he did not try that again. Point is - I did come off, and had I not been lucky enough to be able to respond immediately, I would not have been able to give him an effective consequence for his action. Just this year, he has started experimenting with rearing again (age 5), but we have begun some new, pretty intense training for reining, and he has been learning to get on his hind end more - freeing up/picking up those front feet has been encouraged, and so he likes to test just how much would I like him to pick those feet up :) Again, he receives a consequence every time he does this.

I know my example is a different bad behavior and therefore the actual consequence is a bit different (I pull his head down and drive circles rather than pulling the head up), but I hope it was helpful in explaining the importance I was trying to express in immediate rewards/consequences.

Maybe you didn't reward her by falling off so much as you were unable to give a consequence to her behavior when needed. Rewards and consequences are both very important and go hand in hand. A reward can be the simple action of letting the horse relax and trot a straight line after successfully picking up the canter without bucking. Rewards do not always have to be a positive action - they can be the removal of a stimulus. I am sure you know this, but it is important for you to somehow communicate to them both when they have done right and when they have done wrong.

I hope you are able to solve your problem :) Just don't foget, with this age, when you solve one problem, they test you more, and new problems are presented. It is hard work, but rewarding. Good luck :) :)
    09-08-2007, 03:09 PM
Thanx AKPaintLover, She does test me at times. She makes a really weird but funny sound when I ask for the canter when she lounges and sometimes under saddle. It's like a grunt with a little whinny. It's nothing bad I don't think. She's just 3 and she gets VERY exited! Lol

I think I need to give her a job. Like you did with your reining. I'm going to start her training for jumping. I was going to wait but the place I'm boarding her has poles. I walked her over them a day I was riding her and she didn't even look at them. Just walked right over them. She didn't tap them either which is really good.
    09-09-2007, 07:47 AM
Good luck horse lover. Be careful about how much you do to start training for jumping at age 3. I have heard different ages for when they should be started on such a high impact activity, but I have generally heard about 5 or 6 years old. That doesn't mean that working with ground poles and raised trot poles wouldn't be an excellent activity for her to do right now.

Also, before focusing on a particular job for her right now, you would probably be happiest and get the most success with mastering the basics for now - walk, trot, canter, etc. That way you can use all of these tools in your training for jumping in the future.

I only just started Dez on reining this year at age five. He had all of his basics down last year, but I think is has helped him to have that extra year of maturity for the intense training. Like I said, he still tests me as I push him to new limits (exactly what is happening with you right now). Before I started training for reining, Dez was solid (doing consistently without acting up) with walk, trot, canter, sidepass, back, yeilding of different body parts from ground or saddle, direct and indirect rein not to mention other valuable skills....good on trails, not spooky at new objects, lunging, clipping, trailering, blah, blah, and so on :)

Just remember all of those things can be little jobs for her to learn, and when she gets those solid, she can put them together for a bigger job like jumping.
    09-11-2007, 09:29 PM
Jump training take time she will be going over poles and get the 'feel' of them. It's weird jump training is what I really understand but all her other little problems are foreign. Lol She will be jumping like 2 or 3 foot when she's 4 or 4 1/2. And you are correct 3 year olds cannot handle the impact for jumping but they don't start accually jumping 3 foot when there that young. 5 and 6 year olds can do the 4 footers but she's starting out slow to get her confidence up! :) I guess I think of it like this:
You can't do, (-8,064)x + 35.87 when you don't know 2+2 lol

She knows all the basics as soon as I put my outside leg back and kiss, she moves right into the lope...oops! I mean canter! I keep calling it lope but I'm riding english now! Lol. But she is very good at it she's just in a new place and in a feild not an indoor arena. Lol she gets exited.
    09-12-2007, 02:11 PM
I would suggest you stay off the horse, you will get hurt. You need to start on some ground work, get or watch either Parelli or Reis tapes. Learn to control the horse on the ground. I had a hyper horse, I can say HAD, I still have him, sounds just like yours, did not want to walk, only run, and bucked anytime he choose.

I started doing the Reis ground work. In the round pen, he will now walk, trot, canter at my voice command (while on ground) I hope to work voice command into the saddle soon. But now while riding, he does know how to walk, and canter without a buck, and will now stop at a voice "whoa.

It was amazing for me, it didn't take that long to accomplish, and I'm still amazed, I have a different horse. People told me to get rid of him, before I got hurt. Now everyone is amazed that this is the same horse.

He used to drag me across the ground to see other horses, when I took him somewhere, he had to "talk" to every horse on the ground to show them he was dominate. Now he gets out of the trailer and stands beside me while I talk to human beings.

Just keep trying and don't give up on the ground work. But if you are in saddle and he bucks, do turn him in small circles.

I hope this helps, if you have specific questions to compare mine to yours, please let me know. They sound alot alike.

Good luck.

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