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  • Ground driving at canter for collection
  • Tightness in left lead canter

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    05-09-2012, 12:17 AM
Green Broke
Okay well today's ride.....had lots of good parts....and parts ....alot of parts where he needs help.

I don't know if I should upload the videos....I feel like I look like complete crap and he had a rough time in the canter.

Poor guy his tummy was also pretty swollen with adema and bug bites :( didn't bother him to work and swelling went down after the ride.
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    05-09-2012, 12:47 AM
Go ahead and upload the videos. I'd at least like to see them, and don't worry about looking or feeling bad. We all go through tough rides, its how we improve. And usually the hardest, sweatiest rides are usually the correct and progressive rides. :)
    05-09-2012, 01:38 AM
Green Broke
Okay I will after my tv show goes off :)
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    05-09-2012, 04:07 PM
Green Broke
Sorry, I had a family scare. It's all good now so I have been uploading the videos.

I was working I. Spiraling in and out. I think he was really having a hard time cause his belly was pretty swollen, but he didn't pin his ears while lunging or birthing him up...the swelling stopped right before where the girth goes but it whent all the way back to his wee wee :( poor guy! I covered him in fly spray and put swat on his belly. He is getting his new fly sheet with belly band Friday!

I also think I was tense because I was being video taped and I'm not good in front of the camera. I feel like Saturday's ride was way better but he's only 6 still very green and this was his 2nd ride in this arena.

So here are some of the videos:

One more on it's way...I feel like our trot work was there I know he was trying. But he was a solid block in his lower back in the canter. On the long sides in the canter he rushed. Never got heavy on the bit and was pretty responsive.

My arms need to be more bent in a relaxed way and I need to look up more.

Now I feel like I made up my awesome ride on Saturday in my head.
Lots to work on!
    05-09-2012, 04:34 PM
Green Broke
This is my favorite part of our ride, we ended after this and I felt good a out it. He really relaxed into the left lead, had a few moments of tightness but overall way more soft throughout his body, his head frame was not what I was concerned about, more so getting him to step under correctly with his back end and realxe.

I feel like this was a good end to our ride.

    05-10-2012, 12:56 AM
Okay sorry about late replies, I hit college in the morn, then the barn in the afternoon, then work at night, lol. Anyway it looks like you have the beginnings of "forward and round" a little mantra I live by. Remember to drive your horse into a rounder frame, its not just giving a soft rein, but animating your posting (posting higher like your scooping the horse up from beneath you) and continuing to squeeze with your calf every stride. Remember "leg to seat," legs drive, seat sets the pace. Your trotting videos however were displaying great forward motion, and I could tell your pony was considering rounding into the bit. (thats usually demonstrated by a horse that put its head down then pops it up, and back down again. That's essentially their way of processing what your asking and figuring out if rounding into collection would be more comfortable than hollowing.) So remember to engage with your calf, kick even, to bring his hind under himself. When you "scoop" up in the posting trot, your driving with your calf to "get their hind legs in front of yours," and this is only accomplished by riding him around and ecouraging collection. He has to process and then fill the gap between leg and rein. It takes a while so don't feel discouraged. Remember collection is not developed over night! Another thing to consider is conditioning him more, collection is easier grasped and defined when a horse has developed the muscles to carry itself. You can condition through "ground driving" (my personal fave), harness work on the lounge, or simply riding him under saddle through trot to canter transitions with 5 minute walk breaks between. However should you try to condition through riding, you have to make a serious effort to continue to engage his hind end. This might mean running around the ring while you kicking with your calfs at his hind so he can "get under himself," but once he does, and you can ride it for a lap or two, praise and down transition to a walk. Remember in the canter its important to sit back "deep" in the saddle, open thighs, with calfs around the barrel of the horse. Keep sitting and driving forward with your seat, and make sure your heels are down and your calf isnt swinging, otherwise you engaging a faster canter and not a rounder one. You only get round in the canter by sitting and driving with your seat. (swaying with the rocking motion of the horse) while being solid through your core and legs. Hands are a separate entity so remember soft reins, and no backwards motion. Remember to set pace and round, you have to "sit and drive," your booty should not leave that seat, and I did see it bounce a few times. Also you were on the wrong diagonal in the second vid.

Hopefully that made since, as its hard to explain collection when you have a horse under you, you can imagine how hard it is online. :/
    05-10-2012, 01:01 AM
Green Broke
Lol thank you so so so much fir taking the time to explain that!! I really appreciate it and will be going over that again and again you til I can remember all of it Friday when I go to ride! I'll keep you posted on how that goes! Thanks again!
    05-10-2012, 01:09 AM
Oh cool, thanks. This helps me too, because I teach beginner Dressage @ my barn, and am currently assisting under more advanced lessons with my own Trainer/Instructor. We both have a "Laid back" way of explaining ourselves, as we don't see how using big words or complex formulas will help anyone. So I try to explain the concept in any way I can,Lol.

Post some more vids if you want, I'll continue to watch them. :)

I can even post a few of my own to demonstrate collection in the canter. I have this REALLY super schooling QH pony who is wonderfully responsive and a great example of communication through body language in the saddle. She's normally incredibly strong in the canter too, so if you don't give the exact cue to regulate pace and round, she'll just take you around and round like a Reining pony, lol.
    05-10-2012, 01:25 AM
Green Broke
I would love to see a video of yours! I learn well by watching and am worming the listen, retaining it then doing brain likes to tell me that's impossable!
If I can get video I will post it! I'd love to continue getting your eyes in my pony and I while working through this! Thank you!
    05-10-2012, 10:13 AM
Subbing because I'm interested in this discussion...

And also - your horse is beautiful! And I totally have ring-envy over that ginormous indoor arena.

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