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        09-01-2010, 11:36 AM
      #1
    Foal
    Help please?

    ok so I traded my guy for a 12 year old who knows only how to walk and trot, when you on him.... he doesnt know how to lunge, he can't canter, and he bucks when you try to get him to do something he doesnt want to do... help? Lol

    How do I teach him to lunge? Lol I know it sounds wierd but i've never had a horse stand there and just look at me... he has NO IDEA what I want him to do.... my mom held the lunge line last night and I walked with him to show him what he was supposed to do, we walked and trotted, but then when I left him on his own he gets a very confused look on his face. You can tell he has NO CLUE what I want from him and its kinda sad in a way. But any advice on how to teach him to lunge and how to keep him from bucking (pulling his head into my knee or whatever it is that is said to work wont, he pulls away and tries to go the opposite way)

    Thanks in advance
         
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        09-02-2010, 12:43 AM
      #2
    Started
    I rarely teach a horse to lounge as I find the point of nagging a horse to go in circles quite... Well pointless. If you're horse "NEEDS" to be lounged before a ride then you're doing something wrong in the saddle, its not that he needs a good 15 minutes running in circles :) Keep this in mind!!!

    To properly teach a horse to lounge start him on a lead rope or something about 10 foot long. Lets go to the left/counter clock wise first. Face your horses shoulder with your Left hand on the lead line about 6 inches under his chin. With your Right hand hold the end of your lead rope. Take your LEFT hand and extend your arm pulling him to the left around you, point, ask him to go left/Waaaaaalk (talk to him), point with your hand and your body - while doing this, your RIGHT hand takes the end of the lead and hits/taps his shoulder with it. He should move right around you, keep him going. When he gets around once or twice ask him to whoa. Be verbal, saying "Whoa" and with your Left hand tap, tug, tap the lead.
    You can at this time switch him around or keep him going the same way, work him up to moving out the full 10' of this shorter line at a walk.
    If you want to change directions, ask him to whoa. Walk up, face his opposite shoulder, take the lead 6" under his chin in your RIGHT hand, point and push him off around you saying waaaaaalk, while your LEFT hand swats his shoulder with the end of the lead.

    Don't beat a dead horse with this, once he gets it let him stop. Do a little more tomorrow, in a few days introduce a nice jog. Try moving up to a 20' line in a week or two and getting a working trot. Keep his lessons short and sweet.

    Is he bucking under saddle? Does he do this at the walk, trot or canter? Get him loose and soft at a walk by flexing while moving. Light rein, easy bit, use your seat and leg aid to move him more than your hands. Get him to do a circle here, figure eight there, S patterns down a line (swerve left, right, left, right in a slow easy flowing pattern) go around this tree, that rock, turn here, more S pattern etc. You want his head to remain naturally low (NOT a forced arena head set) and you want to get him to where you think "lets go left" and he starts going left. Get him in tune to you and YOU get in tune to him. Make sure he looks happy, he isn't mouthing the bit, when he stops he's relaxed, ears are forward, no tail swishing. Don't just do boring strait lines to the flexing as explained above, walk over poles, weave the pole bending pattern... Do this at a walk until your in tune with each other (a week or two or more if need be) and if you can do this bareback in a halter, even better.
    Then move the same technique up to a jog, then a trot, then a canter. He cannot buck, its physically impossible, if he is soft, smooth and HAPPY. Its YOUR job to get him there and its YOUR job to understand him and its 99.5% of the time YOUR fault if he's bucking :)
         
        09-02-2010, 04:14 PM
      #3
    Weanling
    I wouldnt consider lounging to be "pointless" because if you are somewhere, say a show and your horse is antsy, it is a good and safe way to calm him down and get him relaxed before you put yourself on his back and into a dangerous position.

    However I do think New Image described how to teach them to lunge quite well :)
         
        09-02-2010, 04:51 PM
      #4
    Showing
    How bad was your other horse (the one you traded)?!

    With bucking, unless it's a habit (he learned he can get rid of the rider this way), it very well may be a pain issue. Or too much energy. Is he healthy? His teeth floated? Tack fit? What do you feed him with? If it's a habit you better get a good trainer to work with him if you don't have experience dealing with problem horses. You can do one-rein stop on him when he starts bucking, but it's a one-minute solution.

    With lunging you basically have to drive a horse. I use lunge whip (sometime) to make my girls go. Just point and touch the butt if they don't want to move.
         
        09-02-2010, 07:07 PM
      #5
    Foal
    kitten, my other horse was rearing and tyring to strike me, bucking up when he was IN HIS STALL because he didnt want to be near me, trying to kick me and biting... he was also VERY VERY pushy about alot of things he would knock me over when walking him....

    He gets a little bit of a full scoop of oats and two flakes of hay each day (this is divided up into two feedings because he is one on pasture all but 6 hours a day and is a little on the heavy side, trying to slim him down.) his tack all fits good, teeth done, feet good, he is just very very stubborn, when I went to look at him he wanted to stop at the gate in the arena and would toss his head a little when I made him go past it but he was managable and I liked him alot, I got him home gave him a while to adjust to one two new horses, and two a new place and of course me as well. Tacked him up rode him around the round pen for about 10 minutes at a walk until I was sure he wasnt going to act up. Got off walked him out the gate, got back on and was riding around in the big pasture that they have, there is no arena at my barn.

    HE was doing good and then decided he was done and went to go back to the smaller area where we were before.. I turned him around pushed him on away from the fence, he was good for a while, then he tried to go back, the more he tried to go back the more I made him stay away, I was trying to prove to him that just because he wants to quit doesnt mean he can.. it doesnt work that way im the rider, im his owner, im in control.... well I turned him away again and walked him out to about the middle of the field into the shade when he again tried to turn back, I turned him around and tried to push him on and he stopped. I pushed, then used leg pressure, then kicked a little he still wouldnt move so I kicked harder, (which is what the lady I got him from told me to do if he wouldnt move) he took two steps and tried to buck me off, he only bucked once and I think that's normally all he would have to do since this horse is THICK his name is tank and there is a reason for that.

    I didnt get down pushed him on for a bit to drive the point home that im not getting off until im ready. Rode for about 5 -10 more minutes, got down took him in hosed him down and fed him... I went to ride him again and I was going to lunge him first which I've ALWAYS done I believe its a way to get out all the bucks and jumps and exess energy BEFORE you get on their back. He had NO CLUE what I wanted, he stood there with the most confused look I've EVER seen on a horses face...

    im not sure how to teach him how to do this... and im not sure what to do incase the next time im on him he bucks MORE, since I wont get off after the first one....
         
        09-02-2010, 07:45 PM
      #6
    Yearling
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    Originally Posted by cosmomomo    
    i wouldnt consider lounging to be "pointless" because if you are somewhere, say a show and your horse is antsy, it is a good and safe way to calm him down and get him relaxed before you put yourself on his back and into a dangerous position.

    However I do think New Image described how to teach them to lunge quite well :)
    And her point is that there is no reason that you should have a horse that gets antsy once at a show. Sure, you want every horse to know how to lounge, but overall, if properly trained you should need to use lunging to calm them down. The only thing I use lunging for is some exercise, and I also free lunge for exercise. But none of my horses in any situation need to be lunged before riding...

    You shouldn't have to lunge them to "get out the bucking and rearing." They should never buck or rear in the first place no matter what if properly trained. Lounging them before riding is not part of properly trained. Also try to keep your rides shorter, if he's getting agatated by longer rides then shorten them up. Is he good for 10-15 minutes but bad after 20? The ride for 15, do so for a week and put him away happy everytime, then after a week move him up to 20 minutes if you want and if he does well with that keep him at 20 minutes for a week, then continue to move him up until you're happy with how long your workouts and training sessions are. All you'll do is ruin him if you keep getting him frustrated everytime you ride him.
         
        09-02-2010, 08:00 PM
      #7
    Green Broke
    Well that doesn't sound too bad. Has he only bucked once? And good job for staying on when he wanted to stop! :)

    I do not agree with New_image, You should drive the horse from behind. Do you have a lunge whip? Start by tapping his rump with it, Trust me, he'll move.

    If you hit his shoulder he's probably going to back up because your putting pressure on his front end, drive him from behind. Stand slightly behind his shoulder and point of gravity.
         
        09-02-2010, 08:04 PM
      #8
    Green Broke
    But that way she's not showing him that she's the boss and she will decide how long to ride.

    And lunging is not pointless and can get an antsy horse to settle down and to get the sillyness out of them.
         
        09-02-2010, 08:04 PM
      #9
    Foal
    He isnt getting frustrated because he has to go for a while he likes to work, the first time I rode him we rode for an hour and he was only grumpy when I wouldnt let him stop at the gate, this last time he was mad because he didnt want to be in the bigger field he wanted to be near the barn because he knows that's where food is at, he only goes in the barn to eat and at night.... he knew it was close to dinner time and he wanted to be in the smaller area next to the barn.. that's what that was about, because he was happy right there next to the fence, but im not going to spend all my time next to a fence, he's supposedly a trail horse whos done nothing but trails his whole life, he should be broke to do what I want... not what he wants.. if that sounds childish sorry but its the truth...to me anyways some of you might have different views on that....
         
        09-02-2010, 08:07 PM
      #10
    Foal
    my last post was directed to what mliponoga said... this one is to Ray...

    yes he's only bucked once but I think he was kinda suprised I didnt get off and maybe that will be the end of it but I want to know how to keep him from doing it if he decides to again... and with the lunging thing I know how to lunge a horse, im just not sure how to teach him to lunge... I was tapping his but, he's a little afraid of the whip so im not going to hit him with it or anything and he just stood there and looked at me all confused...
         

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