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post #1 of 25 Old 01-14-2012, 11:13 AM Thread Starter
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HELP! teaching horse to sidepass

i;m teaching my horse Cisco to side pass and he just can't seem to get it. I squeeze with the right leg then tilt his nose slightly to the right and say "Side" all he does is back up, swish his tail and occasionaly go 2 steps to the side. I'm not sure how to fix this!
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post #2 of 25 Old 01-14-2012, 11:19 AM
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Try facing him to a fence, give him outside leg and a little bit of inside rein and push him over with your hip. If he backs, stop giving the cue, move him up to the fence again and try again. It may take a lot of trial and error to find the exact cue that works for your horse, but it's worth it! You wont have to get off to open and close gates anymore!

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post #3 of 25 Old 01-14-2012, 02:56 PM
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I took a pole layed it in front of us. I asked by putting my leg father back then normal to get him to move his but. And I ask for his face in the opisite direction. After hed do 2 steps id stop and walk for a while then come back and do it the other way. After he got good at that I put the pole under him and side passed it worked for me.
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post #4 of 25 Old 01-14-2012, 03:18 PM
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Try facing him to a fence, give him outside leg and a little bit of inside rein and push him over with your hip. If he backs, stop giving the cue, move him up to the fence again and try again. It may take a lot of trial and error to find the exact cue that works for your horse, but it's worth it! You wont have to get off to open and close gates anymore!
Correct me if I'm wrong. If you remove the pressure/cue when he backs up, then won't you just be teaching him that when he backs up, he is rewarded because the pressure is removed?
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post #5 of 25 Old 01-14-2012, 03:42 PM
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Does he yield his hindquarters off your leg? That is where you start teaching the sidepass.
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post #6 of 25 Old 01-14-2012, 04:03 PM
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Sidepass is the last movement you should teach. First, teach turn on the forehand and turn on the haunches. On the ground first is best. A sidepass is basically a turn on the forehand and a turn on the haunches at the same time, so it's much easier for your horse to comprehend if you go to kindergarden before middle school.


I don't do the fence thing; it's never worked for me. It just made my horse want to back up and get frustrated. I started by walking in a smallish circle. Move you inside leg very slightly behind the girth (but not as far back as you use to cue for a turn on the forehand). Nudge nudge. Your horse should move away and make the circle bigger. Eventually have your horse move sideways while traveling in a straight line.

Gradually ask for more side movement than forward movement. "Close the front door" by pulling back slightly on your reins. Use your left leg to nudge slightly behind the girth and pull your right rein up and across the withers. Hold you left rein steady, with a little contact to prevent your horse from overbending to the right.


You should do a sidepass-y thing. It probably won't be perfectly sideways, but it'll get there. With practice, it'll be almost perfectly to the side.
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Correct me if I'm wrong. If you remove the pressure/cue when he backs up, then won't you just be teaching him that when he backs up, he is rewarded because the pressure is removed?
Not if you immediately correct the horse and move him back to where he's supposed to be.

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I agree with brighteyes... sidepassing is something taught after both fore and hind quarters can be moved individually on the ground, and undersaddle without issue... normally you will cue the forehand at the cinch, the hind end near the rear cinch, and for the entire body (side passing, in this instance), in the middle of those. When the horse is in an advanced stage of learning, you won't notice the rider's cues, because they are so close together, but when the horse is learning, don't be afraid to space out the cues to really show the horse what you want.

On the note of removing pressure, I don't do so until I get atleast one step in the direction I am asking, and then I remove all pressure, so the horse knows that is exactly what I wanted. I start on the fence, as well.

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What we did in a clinic I participated in is face a fence and worked our way down it by first asking for the hip to move over a few steps, and then for the front end to move over a few steps. Just kinda snaking our way down for a few yards, then the other direction. My mare could already side pass so I don't know if it works, but that's what they had us do haha

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Aggie, that's usually the way the first few sidepasses look on a young horse. It takes them some time to build the coordination to move both ends sideways at the same time so we have to start out moving the ends separately and slowly work them more and more together as the horse figures it out.

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