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post #11 of 13 Old 12-31-2007, 06:53 PM
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Usually, when people turn their horses to the inside before a lope, its a cue to let them know the direction. Some horses tend to associate a particular lead with the direction it is most commonly used in.

It can happen with horses who are lunged often, or just horses that aren't really asked to do a lot of loping exercises. Certainly, it's not a bad thing.

Someone posted earlier that turning their head to the outside helps them to fall into their lead better. That's the way I see it. If you expose the inside leg by turning their front end to the outside, it allows you to push the lead forward with your outside leg. It makes better sense when you are used to doing it.

It can also keep their hind end from becoming too lazy by forcing the inside hind leg further inside, and away from the outside hind leg. It's discouraged by some judges, but by moving their hind end a bit off the rail, you can help to improve movement.

I don't think your trainer is crazy. There are so many ways to train a horse, it's not always about what's right or wrong in the grand scheme, but what works best for you and your horse.
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post #12 of 13 Old 01-01-2008, 12:23 AM
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Turning the horse to the outside will unbalance the horse and "throw" him onto the inside lead. As you found out, it doesn't always work... I was also taught that by a couple of trainers, but have since learned much more effective, and consistent, ways.

Usually, inability to take a lead is due to an unbalanced horse. To help strengthen and balance the horse, you should work on lots of trot poles and pattern work. Working trot on a 20 meter circle as well, working from true bend to counter bend, does wonders. When you counter bend, hold the horse in a full bend (nose to tail) until the orse relaxes and balances, then slowly take him back to true bend. Relax there for a few strides, then back to counter bend.

The balance of the rider can also effect the horse. Be sure YOU are balanced in the saddle. When you go to pick up the lead, LOOK UP, breath, keep a soft back and shoulers, look around your turn, let your inside seat bone creep forward just a bit, lift up your inside rein just a bit, and ask with your outside leg. Time your cue to when the horse is putting down his outside hind (inside fore) leg. Have someone call it on the ground so you get the feel at the trot.

My mare had a similar problem and I discovered that we BOTH were causing the problem. She was not as balanced to the right and I colapsed my right shoulder (I had NO clue! lol). Once we got both "fixed", her right lead was much more consistent. To increase her balance, we also worked on true bend-counter bend on a 20 meter circle at the canter. After we did that for a while, her leads were both perfect!

Good luck, and I do agree that this trainer may not be worth spending your money on .

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post #13 of 13 Old 01-07-2008, 08:33 PM
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I don't think that she is crazy. Maybe she was just trying to get the right lead since you said that she has a lot of trouble picking it up. It isn't the best way but it does get the lead sometimes. It helped me a little when I was in a corner I would slightly bend to the outside and then as I bent back to the inside I asked for the canter. Now I just move my outside leg back and slightly lift my inside rein to give my horse the room to get her inside shoulder. You can't block their shoulder that you want the lead on.
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