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post #1 of 7 Old 09-07-2013, 01:52 AM Thread Starter
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Help training my stubborn horse?

I have a 13yr old Quarter horse that I've owned for 4yrs. I adore him! He was trained very well and is amazing in several different disciplines. He is smart..but he is also VERY stubborn and lazy. I've tried round pen excercises but because NOTHING frightens him or gets him worked up, I can't even get him to MOVE! He Is literally bomb proof. He is pretty stubborn on the ground and in the saddle. I've tried programs such as parelli but all the different people with all these different ways of training has left me confused and frustrated. I would like some sort of step by step program that will help me create a better bond with my horse and get hin straightened out..thanks!
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post #2 of 7 Old 09-07-2013, 02:14 AM
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I can't really help you, but I feel your pain!!

I'm currently working with a NH trainer, in 30mins she had my mare working really well. My problem is unclear body language and not 'upping the ante enough'
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post #3 of 7 Old 09-07-2013, 03:29 AM
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Is he physically lazy or just ignoring you? My mate has a lazy nag. She feeds him high energy food to give him a kick but she also has to spice up her riding schedule to keep him interested. So lots of transitions, walk trot walk canter trot circles figures of eight changes of reins trail rides trotting poles jumps etc etc. Don't know if that will help :)

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post #4 of 7 Old 09-07-2013, 04:55 AM
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That's the problem with bomb proofing horses. It can create a lazy or dead to pressure horse. The horse probably has been over desensitized.

Use as little pressure as possible but as much as necessary. At first you may end up using a lot to get him to respond. As long as you start with little and then increase until you get your response, he will start to respond with less and less pressure. It won't happen over night but neither did bomb proofing him.
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post #5 of 7 Old 09-07-2013, 07:39 AM
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The problem is not the horse, it is you. And the bonding you want to do, is counter productive too.

Horses respond to leaders. This horse has you figured out and knows you are ineffectual at best. Simply put? He doesn't have to listen to you at all, and isn't.

You need to worry less about "bonding" and more about "because I say so, that's why" and you will see results.

Work on every area on the ground first, making sure horse is listening to you while leading, in that you are choosing the speed to walk, and he is waiting on you to move out.

Make sure you are not getting attitude from him too, at feeding for instance.

And if you are trying to get him to go by the thump thump on sides? Quit that.

Get after him with reins, over/under and MAKE him move. Be prepared for him to move and don't yank back on his mouth.

And some good riding lessons would help you.

But again? Forget the bonding bit, and focus on the horsemanship, which is what is lacking here with you two.
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Again-another spoiled horse. I have a feeling, since you say you cannot move him even on the ground, that you are asking not TELLING him to move. It is the difference between "Pweessse move nice howseeee?????" And "MOVE YOUR BUTT-NOW!" When "asking" him to move, simply ask, tell, DEMAND. I ask by raising my hand and pointing in the direction I want my guy to go, with the line in that hand. I cluck for trot, kiss for canter. If he does not respond to that, I ask again, this time moving the whip toward his butt. If he STILL does not move, I TELL him, by the hand, sound, but this time I also take a step with one foot toward his butt, and MAKE CONTACT with his butt with the whip. Make sure you are making the contact. I will be he will move.
Under saddle-same principle. Ask, gently, then more firmly, then move to using your reins, a dressage whip or crop to MAKE him move his butt. But as has been said, make sure you "leave the front door open" for him to go through by leaving his mouth alone.
Good luck!
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post #7 of 7 Old 09-07-2013, 10:26 AM
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Just wanted to add to the above statements: make sure you are not giving him conflicting aids. I would also start on the ground. You can't expect him to respect you in saddle if he ignores you on the ground. Carry a long whip/dressage whip with you. Force him to walk over poles, trot in hand with you, be creative.

What were you doing with him before? My friend has an older qh who used to do all sorts of rodeo things but hates it now (because it damaged his hocks), and used to be very ornery in the arena because he would anticipate running barrels e.t.c. They use him for trail riding now.

My point being, maybe he just does not enjoy doing the things you had him doing.
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