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post #111 of 122 Old 11-20-2012, 10:32 PM
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because its based off foxhunting and there are lots of rules in foxhunting. All the rules are based off tradition basically

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post #112 of 122 Old 11-20-2012, 11:22 PM
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Finn- I havent the slightest clue about all the fox hunting rules :P
As for the exercises- I try to keep my sessions short and sweet, but you can lengthen your sessions by working on multiple different things in one session.
So spend the first 5 minutes working on giving to the halted/bridle laterally. Then the next 5 working on yielding the hind end on the ground on both sides. Then 5 on the front end, then some on backing up. But mix and match all throughout your session. Like in the video with the girl working with the pink horse I showed earlier- you'll see she leads her around, stops and makes her do a few different yields then keeps walking. That sort of thing. I'd do a max of 20-25 minutes, but i'd do a couple sessions a day if I could to speed up the process. Horses don't need annoying repetition, once they get the point thy get it- but they need work to get it. Often times practicing a skill a few times with the correct response, then give them a couple hours o think about it, when you go back they've got it so much better than how you left it :P
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post #113 of 122 Old 11-20-2012, 11:46 PM Thread Starter
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Thank you very much for that, it cleared most things up, I guess I'm just going to have to train my horse not to overstep?! Lol thanx again!

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Finn- I havent the slightest clue about all the fox hunting rules :P
As for the exercises- I try to keep my sessions short and sweet, but you can lengthen your sessions by working on multiple different things in one session.
So spend the first 5 minutes working on giving to the halted/bridle laterally. Then the next 5 working on yielding the hind end on the ground on both sides. Then 5 on the front end, then some on backing up. But mix and match all throughout your session. Like in the video with the girl working with the pink horse I showed earlier- you'll see she leads her around, stops and makes her do a few different yields then keeps walking. That sort of thing. I'd do a max of 20-25 minutes, but i'd do a couple sessions a day if I could to speed up the process. Horses don't need annoying repetition, once they get the point thy get it- but they need work to get it. Often times practicing a skill a few times with the correct response, then give them a couple hours o think about it, when you go back they've got it so much better than how you left it :P
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Ok thanx! Today I was working with my other horse, not Finn. I did the halter laterally, backing, and the yielding. But for the yielding I put a little pressure on his flank and he moves in a circle which is correct, and he moves his back feet(and I was happy that when he moved his back feet he would cross over another) and his front feet would just pivot a bit, is this back end yielding or front end yielding? I think it's back-end and if so, how do I do front-end yielding?

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post #115 of 122 Old 11-21-2012, 12:07 AM
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It's confusing, they call it 'yielding the hind end' when the front is still and the back is moving, but it's called a 'turn on the forhand' when the same thing is happening, so it gets confusing.
I like 'yielding the hind end' because it's more literal.
To get them to yield the front end, if you watch the video of the girl with Pink you'll see her apply pressure to the horse's shoulder, the squishy part. The appropriate response is for the hind feet to stay still and the front feet to cross over. This is probably the hardest skill for horses to do - so be patient with this one, but this is a great respect building skill. If you find the horse backs up when you do it you're pushing too far forward, if they walk forward you're pushing too far back, applying a little pressure to the lead to help stop forward motion is helpful too to guide them. Just make sure you give slack when they try to turn away from you. You don't want to bump their head if they're doing the right thing :P
You can also teach them to side step, by pressing just where your foot would go on their side when riding - this you want them to step directly sideways.

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post #116 of 122 Old 11-21-2012, 08:00 AM Thread Starter
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It's confusing, they call it 'yielding the hind end' when the front is still and the back is moving, but it's called a 'turn on the forhand' when the same thing is happening, so it gets confusing.
I like 'yielding the hind end' because it's more literal.
To get them to yield the front end, if you watch the video of the girl with Pink you'll see her apply pressure to the horse's shoulder, the squishy part. The appropriate response is for the hind feet to stay still and the front feet to cross over. This is probably the hardest skill for horses to do - so be patient with this one, but this is a great respect building skill. If you find the horse backs up when you do it you're pushing too far forward, if they walk forward you're pushing too far back, applying a little pressure to the lead to help stop forward motion is helpful too to guide them. Just make sure you give slack when they try to turn away from you. You don't want to bump their head if they're doing the right thing :P
You can also teach them to side step, by pressing just where your foot would go on their side when riding - this you want them to step directly sideways.

Good luck, keep up the good work
Ok thanx so much for all your help!

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@Punkstank so your saying I should spend at least 5 minutes on each skill? 5 for the halter/bride laterally, 5 for hind end yielding, 5 for front end yielding, 5 for backing, and 5 for side-stepping. Then like a 30 minute break and repeat again. With my schedule I can only do two sessions a day.

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post #118 of 122 Old 11-21-2012, 04:36 PM Thread Starter
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@Punkstank so your saying I should spend at least 5 minutes on each skill? 5 for the halter/bride laterally, 5 for hind end yielding, 5 for front end yielding, 5 for backing, and 5 for side-stepping. Then like a 30 minute break and repeat again. With my schedule I can only do two sessions a day.
Haha nvm I just reread one of your posts and you already said to work on each thing 5 mins so disregard my last post lol
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post #119 of 122 Old 11-21-2012, 09:48 PM
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horses usually only overstep when they aren't truly forward. Maybe after working on all of these exersizes he will learn how to actually be forward and not run. It is a very hard thing to teach a horse that just wants to go, I am dealing with it now so I feel your pain!
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post #120 of 122 Old 11-21-2012, 09:48 PM
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By overstepping I mean forging into there front legs, not overstepping like in the dressage sense, that is a good thing lol!
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