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        06-24-2014, 07:07 AM
      #11
    Foal
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    Originally Posted by EquineCloud    
    @Delete: The whole bareback thing is so I can teach him not only with legs, but my seat as well. I do ride in a saddle. Although, I don't believe in hitting a horse for it to do what its told. I want to see a horse wanting to do what it wants. And no, I don't ride with a lnge whip, I lunge him with it.
    Kudos.

    Have you had a vet out to see if this horse is 100% sound? If the horse is totally sound, than I would agree with TXhorseman that this horse is green and needs to develop some balance.

    @delete- As far as laziness goes, a lazy horse is an unmotivated horse. You can motive a horse 2 ways; by means of force/pressure/abuse and teaching the horse to "listen" by fearing the rider, or by taking the time to bond with the animal and learn what motivates them.
         
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        06-24-2014, 07:11 AM
      #12
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    Originally Posted by horseTraining    
    Kudos.

    Have you had a vet out to see if this horse is 100% sound? If the horse is totally sound, than I would agree with TXhorseman that this horse is green and needs to develop some balance.

    @delete- As far as laziness goes, a lazy horse is an unmotivated horse. You can motive a horse 2 ways; by means of force/pressure/abuse and teaching the horse to "listen" by fearing the rider, or by taking the time to bond with the animal and learn what motivates them.

    I agree!
    As far as the vet goes though... I'm having a farrier come over, but since I only am training him and I don't own him. When I have the vet come for Chico this next week as well, I'll ask her to do a quick check on him too. Thanks!
         
        06-24-2014, 08:27 AM
      #13
    Green Broke
    Where in Germany are you? I can offer some people if I know the area that may be able to help.

    Why has he been ridden so few times at that age?

    He may be in pain.. back, muscle, ulcers which would indicate why he is unwilling to go forward.

    Or he may just be acting like a pain.

    Rule out pain first.

    Secondly, get a trainer.

    A comment such as "Although, I don't believe in hitting a horse for it to do what its told. I want to see a horse wanting to do what it wants" shows to me that you have a serious misunderstanding of basic tools.

    There is no requirement for a horse to be hit with a whip to do what it's told... it's about respect. A horse doesn't WANT to be ridden, a horse wants to stand in a field and eat grass all day. The fact that these 650-800kg animals allow us to ride them is because of respect...
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        06-24-2014, 08:51 AM
      #14
    Foal
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    Originally Posted by DuffyDuck    
    Where in Germany are you? I can offer some people if I know the area that may be able to help.

    Why has he been ridden so few times at that age?

    He may be in pain.. back, muscle, ulcers which would indicate why he is unwilling to go forward.

    Or he may just be acting like a pain.

    Rule out pain first.

    Secondly, get a trainer.

    A comment such as "Although, I don't believe in hitting a horse for it to do what its told. I want to see a horse wanting to do what it wants"shows to me that you have a serious misunderstanding of basic tools.

    There is no requirement for a horse to be hit with a whip to do what it's told... it's about respect. A horse doesn't WANT to be ridden, a horse wants to stand in a field and eat grass all day. The fact that these 650-800kg animals allow us to ride them is because of respect...

    I couldnt disagree more with that comment. (More to that in a sec.) But by all means, I AM here to train the horse. I like a challenege, and don't go off paying someone to train a horse. Pain isnt ruled out yet, we are still working on finding out about that. The only reason he came to us is because the barn owners friend died, and the barn owner doesnt ride so she eventually figured it was best to give it to me. (The other riders at our barn, don't know crap about training XD)
    Now, I've ridden many horses who loved being ridden. Half of the time, I didnt even need a halter to catch the horses. They were happy to follow me out the gate and to get tacked up. (No I don't use treats.) On trails, Vicky (The horse I've been training for 2 years) goes without bridle. I don't use spurs, or whips, so she could just run off with me on her back, but she chooses not to. I can see when a horse is happy doing what it wants. If you've never seen a horse wanting to be ridden, you're doing something wrong. Whips, and spurs just scare a horse away from the enjoyment. They learn to respect my space, and I learn to respect theirs. Sure, every horse has their days. For example, Vicky bolted one time while I was riding her bareback and bridless. I got off and lunged her, and she gave in eventually in respect.
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        06-24-2014, 09:04 AM
      #15
    Foal
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    Originally Posted by DuffyDuck    
    Where in Germany are you? I can offer some people if I know the area that may be able to help.

    Why has he been ridden so few times at that age?

    He may be in pain.. back, muscle, ulcers which would indicate why he is unwilling to go forward.

    Or he may just be acting like a pain.

    Rule out pain first.

    Secondly, get a trainer.

    A comment such as "Although,I don't believe in hitting a horse for it to do what its told. I want to see a horse wanting to do what it wants" shows to me that you have a serious misunderstanding of basic tools.

    There is no requirement for a horse to be hit with a whip to do what it's told... it's about respect. A horse doesn't WANT to be ridden, a horse wants to stand in a field and eat grass all day. The fact that these 650-800kg animals allow us to ride them is because of respect...
    I completely disagree with this statement. I impose no force or means of restriction during my training. All horses are given a choice to work and all end up choosing to participate. Herd animals love interaction and communication. They follow calm leadership, not anyone that mimics "dominate" behaviour. Notice how the dominate horse is usually separated from the herd? If you are a leader to your horse, there is no need for the use of a whip no matter how you believe it should be used.

    I think you must've missed the part when EquineCloud said "I teach bareback, and eventually without bridle." To be able to ride a horse with no bridle and no saddle would be impossible without some kind of mutual respect.
         
        06-24-2014, 09:29 AM
      #16
    Green Broke
    I know what you mean, and given the option... horses would love to eat grass all day long and sleep.

    However, what you describe is respect... so yes, she is willing to work and go out and do things.

    Whips and spurs are not evil. They are training aids. They should never be used to send a horse forward.. they are to refine aids and help with impulsion.

    Not every horse is going to be as laid back as Vicky, no two horses are the same. It's nice to think of the freedom of riding bareback, but it's not everyone's goal. I found my youngster uncomfortable to ride bareback, and it threw him for six and he hated it too. My old round TB however was great at it.

    There are many ways to skin a cat.

    I would look in to back, teeth and possible ulcers. Your vet should be able to give you a brief over view of the teeth, but I would highly recommend an equine dentist who has trained past the four days vets do if he needs more than a basic rasp. If you wish to PM me your area, I can give you recommendations on all of this.

    Are you here with the forces? I'm currently in Bielefeld.
         
        06-24-2014, 10:22 AM
      #17
    Foal
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    Originally Posted by DuffyDuck    
    I know what you mean, and given the option... horses would love to eat grass all day long and sleep.

    However, what you describe is respect... so yes, she is willing to work and go out and do things.

    Whips and spurs are not evil. They are training aids. They should never be used to send a horse forward.. they are to refine aids and help with impulsion.

    Not every horse is going to be as laid back as Vicky, no two horses are the same. It's nice to think of the freedom of riding bareback, but it's not everyone's goal. I found my youngster uncomfortable to ride bareback, and it threw him for six and he hated it too. My old round TB however was great at it.

    There are many ways to skin a cat.

    I would look in to back, teeth and possible ulcers. Your vet should be able to give you a brief over view of the teeth, but I would highly recommend an equine dentist who has trained past the four days vets do if he needs more than a basic rasp. If you wish to PM me your area, I can give you recommendations on all of this.

    Are you here with the forces? I'm currently in Bielefeld.
    Laid back... lmao... I've mentioned before all my horses are rescues, from either RACE TRACKS, Or ABUSIVE situations. Vicky was an ex-racehorse, bought her at a slaughter auction. But again, I don't own this horse. So I have no rights to choose what happens to him. The owner recommended I buy him, since she wasnt going to ride him. I may consider that, but till then... all I can do is use the farriers, and vets that I use on Chico on him.
         
        06-24-2014, 10:23 AM
      #18
    Foal
    Oh, and no. I just came from America to start training horses in Germany, since I knew the area well from my childhood. Im in the Nuernberg area.
         
        06-24-2014, 10:29 AM
      #19
    Green Broke
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by EquineCloud    
    Laid back... lmao... I've mentioned before all my horses are rescues, from either RACE TRACKS, Or ABUSIVE situations. Vicky was an ex-racehorse, bought her at a slaughter auction. But again, I don't own this horse. So I have no rights to choose what happens to him. The owner recommended I buy him, since she wasnt going to ride him. I may consider that, but till then... all I can do is use the farriers, and vets that I use on Chico on him.

    I bought a school master that cornered men and tried to buck you off... I had him as a lesson horse for kids and disabled adults. I'm not trying to dissuade you, or put you down as a rider... I'm just saying there are many ways to do things.

    I would speak to the owner... yard owner... if it doesn't happen now, to the point where you could ride him and train him because he is possibly in pain, would you buy him? Seems unreasonable to me... having a healthy horse gives you more insentive to buy him, and he isn't just sat in a field eating at her pennies.

    You're quite far away from me now, I used to be an hour down the road. If you need a recommendation for an Equine dentist, please let me know. He trained in America and is very, very good.
         
        06-24-2014, 10:33 AM
      #20
    Foal
    I already take care of Chico, a long with training other horses. So buying him isnt exactly the best option. The owner is gone for a couple of weeks, on vacation I think. Once she returns well talk about it
         

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