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    04-16-2013, 07:09 PM
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You need a tree with a branch over his head, and a car innertube. Use a web halter, not a rope one. Tie innertube to tree, horse to innertube, and step away for a while. He will be tying in no time. Once he figures he can't get away, he wil sleep. Do this as much as possible.
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    04-16-2013, 07:18 PM
  #32
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Sink a post in the ground and start working on tying, then worry about the saddle. You need to teach this horse that he can't just run off whenever it suits him. Then when he stands tied you can work on brushing and use cloths that gradually get bigger until your cloth is the size of a saddle pad.
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Right now your horse knows that if he doesn't want to do something, all he has to do is run away. That's exactly what he's doing with the saddle. It's not necessarily that he's scared of it. It's that he knows that you can't do anything about it if he moves away from you.
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    04-16-2013, 08:24 PM
  #33
Weanling
My horse needs a lot of work, I know that. My trainer said that he is pushy, dominant and loves to crowd. I was working on leading him today and he was doing fine. By the time we got to the other end of the pasture and I started brushing him, he pulled the lead rope out of my hand and ran away to his new buddy. I think he is also herd bound. I have not tried to saddle him, I'm trying to work on ground manners first. He's a brat. His pasture also has electric fence.. Can't exactly tie him to that.
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    04-16-2013, 08:36 PM
  #34
Trained
You need to find something to tie him to, and you need to find a way of stopping him breaking away from you, longer rope, run with him, chain him to your truck, something.

It took Ben two times breaking away from me to let him to learn that it was OK to do it, took me flaming MONTHS to overcome the problem I had caused.
     
    04-16-2013, 08:40 PM
  #35
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You bought a horse that can't tie with no facilities to teach him to tie?

Time to put your gloves on and cowgirl up. My yearling used to crowd. There was no "leading" her, I was constantly guiding her body. I would walk, then suddenly I would turn and make her pivot away from me - and quickly! Then I would walk straight, then go after her butt and make her hip-around away from me. Then we walk again. Then I might stop and make her back up 10 steps.

If a horse is going to be pushy/dominant/crowding/testing, then you have to do the same back x1000. If my horse encroaches on my space, then I come at her and make her pivot all the way around. I never relinquish my space, but make her relinquish hers twice as much. The only time she is allowed to come in is when she is invited.

Don't even think about the saddle right now. Forget about the bad experience. Be this horse's leader and the problems will solve themselves.

And stop making excuses about not having the facility to work with your horse. Tie him in his stall if you have to. Get creative or get a horse that fits into your facility better.
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    04-16-2013, 09:02 PM
  #36
Trained
Your question is how to help a horse overcome a bad experience? Well the answer is the same in how anyone or animal is assisted in getting over a bad experience, you replace it with many good experiences. OP, you said your horse is at the trainers, let the trainer do the work, that is what you pay them money for. When I was training for the public, if someone hired me to train their horse, then came back with all sorts of methods to try that was suggested to them by an online forum, I would hand them the leadrope and say "have at it" and leave. And no, I wouldn't refund their training fees, I would charge more for undoing any damage they did!
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    04-16-2013, 11:07 PM
  #37
Weanling
My trainer wants me to figure it out before I pay him to train. I'm just paying board right now.

Here is the video I took today of my boyfriend leading him.. How does he look? Not perfect, I know
Corey walking Ares - YouTube
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    04-16-2013, 11:09 PM
  #38
Weanling
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Originally Posted by oh vair oh    
You bought a horse that can't tie with no facilities to teach him to tie?

Time to put your gloves on and cowgirl up. My yearling used to crowd. There was no "leading" her, I was constantly guiding her body. I would walk, then suddenly I would turn and make her pivot away from me - and quickly! Then I would walk straight, then go after her butt and make her hip-around away from me. Then we walk again. Then I might stop and make her back up 10 steps.

If a horse is going to be pushy/dominant/crowding/testing, then you have to do the same back x1000. If my horse encroaches on my space, then I come at her and make her pivot all the way around. I never relinquish my space, but make her relinquish hers twice as much. The only time she is allowed to come in is when she is invited.

Don't even think about the saddle right now. Forget about the bad experience. Be this horse's leader and the problems will solve themselves.

And stop making excuses about not having the facility to work with your horse. Tie him in his stall if you have to. Get creative or get a horse that fits into your facility better.
It's full outdoor, no barn, no stalls.
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    04-16-2013, 11:11 PM
  #39
Weanling
And this was the horse my program head recommended for me. He wants a horse that knows nothing so we can teach it to them. The horse will only be at this place until August - then moved to college with me.
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    04-18-2013, 01:10 PM
  #40
Trained
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Originally Posted by rookie    
Sink a post in the ground and start working on tying, then worry about the saddle. You need to teach this horse that he can't just run off whenever it suits him. Then when he stands tied you can work on brushing and use cloths that gradually get bigger until your cloth is the size of a saddle pad.
You need a wooden, 8 in. Diameter, 8 ft long pole. Sink it 3 ft. Into the ground, so it sits 5 ft. Above the ground. I did this when I rebuilt my shelter manger last year. THe plywood is a 4' high, and the post sits a little bit lower, but you get the picture.

I would also, before you sink it, take a saw a dig a 1 1/2 inch wide, and 1 inch deep "ring", about 1 ft. From the top. You can tie to that and it shouldn't slip. Learn to tie a quick release knot.
     

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