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post #41 of 49 Old 04-18-2013, 12:11 PM
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greentree, you think like me!! Let the horse puzzle it out, while I sit some distance away and read a book...or garden.
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post #42 of 49 Old 04-18-2013, 12:19 PM
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And this was the horse my program head recommended for me. He wants a horse that knows nothing so we can teach it to them. The horse will only be at this place until August - then moved to college with me.
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But who is teaching you? You can't teach the horse what you don't know yourself. From the things you have shared so far it seems that you do not have the sort of foudnational knowledge that would be needed to be able to bring this horse along safely for both horse and human.
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I do want to say, OP, that I think you are giving far too much power to this past "bad experience". From what you have said the horse mistakenly had a saddle put on it, but was not mounted/ridden. I can't imagine someone making such a mistake more than once, so this would have been one time that the horse had a saddle placed on it and then, presumably, removed. That is not something I would allow to color my approach to this horse's training AT ALL moving forward. I am really struggling to understand what would have been so traumatizing about that scenario for a horse as to excuse any of the issues you are currently dealing with. It turly sounds like more of an issue of a horse with NO foundation, not a horse with a bad experience as a foundation.
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I do want to say, OP, that I think you are giving far too much power to this past "bad experience". From what you have said the horse mistakenly had a saddle put on it, but was not mounted/ridden. I can't imagine someone making such a mistake more than once, so this would have been one time that the horse had a saddle placed on it and then, presumably, removed. That is not something I would allow to color my approach to this horse's training AT ALL moving forward. I am really struggling to understand what would have been so traumatizing about that scenario for a horse as to excuse any of the issues you are currently dealing with. It turly sounds like more of an issue of a horse with NO foundation, not a horse with a bad experience as a foundation.
They couldn't get the saddle off of him. It has slipped under his belly and he got all range led in it. They had to sedate him.

And my trainer is giving me "tips"
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They couldn't get the saddle off of him. It has slipped under his belly and he got all range led in it. They had to sedate him.

And my trainer is giving me "tips"
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This seems to be contradicting a lot of what was said.

Surely the horse had to have been handled a fair amount and tied when someone actually got a saddle on and girthed/cinched up?

As for not tying when trying to do anything with him because it is 'forcing' well I say Tommy Rot.

The only way to get past any fear is to confront it. This horse needs to be made to do the same.

As for the trainer you have now I wouldn't give them a donkey to look after. Anyone who expects a novice person to cope with a difficult horse in a field with other horses running loose is no trainer in my book.
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This seems to be contradicting a lot of what was said.

Surely the horse had to have been handled a fair amount and tied when someone actually got a saddle on and girthed/cinched up?

As for not tying when trying to do anything with him because it is 'forcing' well I say Tommy Rot.

The only way to get past any fear is to confront it. This horse needs to be made to do the same.

As for the trainer you have now I wouldn't give them a donkey to look after. Anyone who expects a novice person to cope with a difficult horse in a field with other horses running loose is no trainer in my book.
The horse had been handled, yes, but he has never been taught to tie or anything. He was in a stall. He's pretty gentle, but I'm surprised they were able to do up the cinch.

I do not feel comfortable teaching him anything on my own, that's why I moved him to a trainers, but the trainer seems reluctant because he has too many horses to train or something, I don't know. Believe me, I am NOT trying to do anything I can't handle - I know I don't gave the experience to train this horse. When I go to school I will be training him with an instructor.
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You and the horse do not need "tips" - you both need intensive, hands on work sessions from someone who knows how to deal with this which, from what you have said in this thread, doesnt' sound like your "trainer".

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May I ask what degree program you are seeking? I am assuming by the way you speak of going to school and taking the horse that its equine related. Is this correct? I also think there are some interesting articles the april horse and rider mag. One article about tying and one about desensitizing to a saddle pad. I still think square one might be a good place to start.

FWIW I am also confused as to how the horse had to be tranq. To have the saddle taken off but not put on. I have dealt with a fair few rolled saddles and you either loosened the cinch or you cut the cinch. If the horse is broncing that bad, let him work it out and when it safe you approach. Your saddle will probably fall apart before serious harm comes to your horse. It just seems that tranq would take a few minutes to settle out, and it does not work well if the horse is already keyed up. It also implies that to traq a horse (at least in my mind) you are dealing with a veterinary prescribed drug (torb, dormosedan, xylazine) all controlled substances which means any one like you or I having them is a big no no. Which leaves things like ace which is not always that effective particularly on a wound up horse. Which is why I question that story.
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May I ask what degree program you are seeking? I am assuming by the way you speak of going to school and taking the horse that its equine related. Is this correct? I also think there are some interesting articles the april horse and rider mag. One article about tying and one about desensitizing to a saddle pad. I still think square one might be a good place to start.

FWIW I am also confused as to how the horse had to be tranq. To have the saddle taken off but not put on. I have dealt with a fair few rolled saddles and you either loosened the cinch or you cut the cinch. If the horse is broncing that bad, let him work it out and when it safe you approach. Your saddle will probably fall apart before serious harm comes to your horse. It just seems that tranq would take a few minutes to settle out, and it does not work well if the horse is already keyed up. It also implies that to traq a horse (at least in my mind) you are dealing with a veterinary prescribed drug (torb, dormosedan, xylazine) all controlled substances which means any one like you or I having them is a big no no. Which leaves things like ace which is not always that effective particularly on a wound up horse. Which is why I question that story.
I am taking Western Ranch & Cow Horse.

As for the tranquilizing, that is what I was told by his previous trainer. They have an on-site vet, so I'm not sure.
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