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    05-30-2012, 12:18 PM
  #11
Showing
A single piece of wire shines in the sunlight. An unpainted pole blends with the dirt. A horse sees like a camera that's a bit out of focus. His vision is designed to see the blade of grass 6-8 ft ahead of his nose. This is why they rely so much on their other senses. If horses see unpainted poles so well, why do the competitions use red and white rails rather than leave them the natural color? There are certain colors a horse sees better than others and red and white are the best choice. Even the dressage ring is white. Barrel racing barrels are white with red.
     
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    05-30-2012, 12:32 PM
  #12
Foal
Sorry but I gotta second foxhunter because here in the Uk we do working hunter classes where all the jumps are "Rustic". I never seen any difficulty with the horses seeing those. Or the natural jumps on a racecourse.
I've never read up on this but I've always been told horses are actualy colour blind but like I said never checked that one.
     
    05-30-2012, 04:47 PM
  #13
Banned
Please don't tell all the foxhunters in my area who mostly jump over rustic rails, unpainted coops and panels made of telephone poles or railroad ties, I wouldn't want them to start crashing fences. Also, please don't tell the horses that run the Maryland Hunt Cup, as those fences are all natural rails, mostly vertical post and rail with little or no brush, and over 4' high, so it's a big miss if the horse doesn't see them.

Do you have any evidence or citations to support this idea that horses have trouble seeing natural rails or see striped or colored poles better? You may well be right, I've just never heard anything like this before and would love to know the source of your info.
     
    06-01-2012, 01:13 PM
  #14
Foal
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sammyjoe    
Heres my 2 pence for all its worth!! Haha.
Had a pony who was more than a little slow to catch on to everything really. Always forgot which stable was his- every night. Used to spook at every jump even at our local arena first time round the course and ALWAYS used to take the wrong stride. It took us alot more work with this fella than any of our others and in the end we used to place a pole two full strides out (depending on the size of your horse) he was 14.2. The aim was to canter down and one stride over the pole and take off. We used to use this even in the collecting arena before classes and it worked fantastic for him.
Before that and since that I've always used the standard method of stand off pole but that never worked with him. Worth a shot?
BTW im 6ft so my strides are long!
I'm on a 15.3ish hand horse, do you think I should use about 2.5 strides? And yes, I do jump over colorful stiped poles and flowers. Thanks everyone for all the tips!
     
    06-01-2012, 05:26 PM
  #15
Foal
Maybe 3 strides. It will look huge but remember the point is for him to put front feet in and then take off from there. If he's still going in too deep just roll it out some more.
I hope this works for you. It should in theory force him to take off where you want.
Happy riding
     
    06-01-2012, 05:40 PM
  #16
Banned
Standard practice is to put the canter placement rail 1 stride out from the base of the fence. If the horse needs to adjust, they adjust to the pole, thereby setting themselves up correctly for the fence.

You can add a placement rail on the landing side for horses that hollow or rush in the landing.

Placing a rail 2, 2 1/3 or 3 strides out from the base really isn't going to help the green horse find his distance, there are too many things that can happen between the rail and the fence. If the horse is so dead solid steady and consistent in his canter that nothing changes from 3 strides out, he no longer needs the placement rail.
     
    06-01-2012, 07:56 PM
  #17
Foal
Thank you both for all the help! Im riding him tomorrow and I'm deffinatly going to try some of these techniques. Thanks a ton!
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    06-02-2012, 06:30 AM
  #18
Foal
Yes I agree with you maura, and if you read my first post I do say that a stand off pole one stride out is the method we used on every other pony we had, with exception of lad.
I realise this is not a correct training method but it worked really well on this one pony who we had trouble with so if a stand off pole isnt helping it may be worth a try.
Maura has stated the correct method above for getting a horse "standing off" but im sorry I had assumed you would of tryed this already. If you havent I would follow her advice first as it is the conventional way.
Good luck :)
     
    06-02-2012, 06:51 AM
  #19
Banned
I understand, Sammyjoe, and if it worked for that pony, great. Experimenting until you find what works for a particular hoses is good horsemanship.

But I think the point that it was not the usual or conventional method got lost along the way, so I was reemphasizing.
     
    06-02-2012, 12:14 PM
  #20
Foal
[QUOTE=Maura

Placing a rail 2, 2 1/3 or 3 strides out from the base really isn't going to help the green horse find his distance, there are too many things that can happen between the rail and the fence. If the horse is so dead solid steady and consistent in his canter that nothing changes from 3 strides out, he no longer needs the placement rail.[/QUOTE]

I've been re reading the thread because I feel like im being made to look like a fool, I tryed to make my reply as easy to understand as posible but I think somehow it may have been taken that im suggesting to place a pole three horse strides out and that's NOT it. Three of my strides for the horse to step in and take off. A bit like a bounce.


I would like to clarify in my opinion the best advice is the origional post by maura about altering strides and doing grids etc. This should be your first thing to try if you havent already before posting.

Im sorry that I posted with an alternative after you had already been given absolutly the correct advice. I truly though I was helping when I read the post and it sounded familiar. My mistake was assuming you had already been trying the obvious which in hindsight I realise you probably havent.

The pony I talked about was a homebread oddball to say the least, come to think about it everything he did was back to front.But I loved and miss him very much! This post has bought me back very fond and funny memories.

Look forward to an update when you get it cracked!!

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