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post #21 of 26 Old 06-02-2012, 01:10 PM
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And I feel really bad that I've made you feel bad about your perfectly reasonable answer.

You're right, when I read "three strides out" I was assuming you meant three horse strides, not three people strides. And three people strides (9 - 10') is exactly right for a one stride placement rail.

The whole point of asking a question on a forum is to get a variety of opinions, if the OP only wanted one, or the most convential one, you'd look up your question in a textbook or other single source rather than posting on a forum.

So please don't let me discourage you from posting your perfectly valid opinion. The technique that worked for me might not work for the OP, and the technique that worked with your homebred oddball might be exactly what works for the OP. (In this case, I think our techniques are exactly the same, but I hope you get what I mean.)

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Thank you guys so much for your help! Sorry if it seems like I've been giving really short answers, I was just a little overwelmed by all the information. I went out and rode him today and I tried your idea, Sammyjoe, about putting the jump 3 of my strides out. But it seems like he just added a stride in between the pole and the jump. So he added a tiny stride and took off even closer to the jump. Should I have set it closer or farther away? Was the idea to make him take off with his back feet behind the pole? Haha did that make any sense at all? Sorry, I'm new to working with inexperienced jumpers with out a trainer.. And earlier maura you said to put a pole a canter stride away from the jump. Should that be just the size of the average horse stride or do I need to add room for his take off? And one more question (I promise) I heard you talking about a stand off pole, I know I must sound stupid, but could you explain to me what that is. I'm sure I've used it before but not by that name... Sigh I'm sure that made no sense whatsoever but the next time I'll try to visdeo tape my ride so you can see what I mean. Thanks so much!
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Difference in locations, terminology, trainers terminology I think. Stand off pole is a pole placed one stride away from the jump and in effect creates a "marker" for your horse to take off. Have you been trying this?

How new is this horse to jumping?
how experienced is this horse in his schooling?

Although it may feel like it all goes wrong in the last stride, believe it or not your approach to the jump plays a huge part in the end result. As you and this horse gain more practise you should be able to see a wrong stride from way out and correct it if you do the excersises for altering strides earlier in the post by maura.
This is why flatwork (schooling) is always key to succsesful jumping horse.

If you continue to have problems then video would be the best way for gaining any further help because also factors such as speed and haste can affect your stride. By haste I mean weather your horse may be over excited approaching or half asleep, couldnt think of the correct word!!
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This is your best advice for a place to start, Write this down and take it with you.
Remember you need to keep trying with the same method if you want it to work. As with all training repetition and consistency and TIME are essential.

Originally Posted by maura View Post
For very green horses I use a series of three or four trot poles in front of the jump. I also only jump little grids or gymanstics for long time before introducing single fences. At som point you can start using canter placement rails either before the grid or gymnastic or before and after single fences.

Once you're jumping lines or related fences, the key to distances is adjustabilty of stride. In your flat work, focus on three clear speeds at the canter. Then set two rails 7 strides apart on the long side of your arena, and work on meeting the poles in stride at your medium pace and getting 7 even strides. Once you've mastered 7, work on 6 strides from a forward canter, and 8 from a slow. When you have mastered this exercise, you and the horse will have a feel for pace, which is the foundation of a feel for distance., and your horse will be able to adjust his stride to make a distance work.
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Oh okay thanks Sammyjoe, yes I have been using this but wasn't used to it being called this. I would say he's been jumping maybe a few months off and on? His owner doesn't really have time which is why she wants me on him. I'd say he's pretty good, some days can get a little rough but I think I'm just going to work on ground work for a little while. How far out do you recomend placing the pole for a 15.3 horse? Thanks!
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