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    05-02-2012, 11:11 AM
  #1
Weanling
Her horse kicks out at mine- suggestions?

Hello, hereís my problem. Iím showing this year at the A shows with another girl whoís horse does not like mine. They where cross tried kind of close by and her horse just fired with his back legs and sadly a person was in the way and they got pinned and just fired at by this horse, mine was the target but the woman was in the wrong place at the wrong time. We ride past each other in the sand ring and her horse pins his ears at mine and goes to kick out so he doesnít like my mare thatís pretty clear. My problem is they will trailer and be tied somewhat near each other. I can tie my horse on the other side of the trailer but it's her horse that's the problem not mine. (that sound very rude of me, ) How do I polity tell her / my coach I donít want that horse 10 feet near my horse. In a trailer it would be a slant load or my trailer a straight load and either way if theyíre side by side my horse can get kicked. And even if they are a horse or 2 sperated then how can I be sure the horse won't kick out and hit the horse it's becide? And if this horse kicks and hurts my horse.. wow there will be issues. So I need to know how to prevent this and say it in a nice way. I have my own trailer, I have no problem trailering my horse alone in my trailer and pay my own gas. I don't care if I can save a few bucks to share a ride. It's always cheaper to share but in this case it's not worth it to save money.. I want to save money on my vet bills. Lol.

Any idea's or suggestions? She knows and my coach knows that her horse kicks out and doesn't like my horse but my barn is very relaxed and may think I'm being over cautious- and well I can't be when it involves my horses safety and my wallet.

Thanks!
     
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    05-02-2012, 11:20 AM
  #2
Showing
Trailer your own horse. Problem solved.

You can't make another horse not dislike yours. I had a hater. He got trailered and tethered alone. In hand and under saddle he was a gentleman, but loose, tethered, or cross tied near a horse he didn't like, and all hell would break loose.

I'd think the other horse's owner as well as your coach would know what a liability that horse is, but if you have the means to keep your guy away from hers, then do it.
     
    05-02-2012, 11:23 AM
  #3
Trained
Well it's her so you cannot control it's behavior under saddle so stay out of kicking distance, in fact don't go near them. While hauling, I wouldn't put those two beside each other either. Slant load dividers don't go all the way to the floor so he could possibly get a kick in, sorry don't know for sure as I never hauled a kicker with another horse. In general, I would say for the safety of your horse & passersby, keep those two away from each other even it is her horse doing the kicking it's ultimately your responsiblity to keep your from getting injured. And good luck at your show!
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    05-02-2012, 11:25 AM
  #4
Showing
When the rider of the kicker senses that the horse is thinking of kicking, have her suprise the horse by suddenly asking it to canter and canter for 3 circles. The horse won't have figured out action and reaction so the rider must do this several times more and consistently do it. The horse may be fine for a week or two but invariably will try it again, a test shall we say. If the rider has remained alert to the horse she will nip it in the bud before it kicks out. Often that is the end of it.
     
    05-02-2012, 11:26 AM
  #5
Weanling
Thanks, I think I will just trailer mine alone. She wants to share to save money but I just can't do that... I don't think she realizes the seriousness of the situation. Thanks for the advice :)
     
    05-02-2012, 11:28 AM
  #6
Weanling
Oh and to ad, the rider does not disciple her horse for doing this, even when the horse kicked the person. But she was probably in shock so the horse gets away with it
     
    05-02-2012, 11:31 AM
  #7
Trained
How can you think that you are being overly cautious? Consider what parts of YOUR body will break if that horse nails you?
Horses that kick at other horses while being handled or under saddle are out of control. Period. I worked with my old herd and I am working with my younger herd to nip this in the bud whenEVER it has occurred. Usually I would/will be aboard the kicker, and I either spur forward or whip forward when I see the signs and feel a kick towards my other horse(s) coming on. Therefore, YOU cannot prevent the kicking from taking place. MY ADVICE is to avoid being around or working NEAR your friend's horse. However, if you can't help it, I have some tips.
I became interested in Dressage bc of the close order drill that our CW company practiced. There are some tactics that you can practice when forced to ride near your friend's horse that I will share. We "dressed" with the horse to our right or left by riding with stirrups touching. This made it difficult for horses to kick at each other. We also were forced to discipline our horses to behave while dressed and to desensitize them to working right next to a horse that they wanted to beat up. We also maintained a full horse length between the front and back of our horses when riding in (single) file and file by 2's, 4's, etc. This prevents the horse in front from successfully nailing a kick to the horse behind him, and prevents the horse behind him from successfully biting the horse in front.
It's exactly the same as misbehaving, bully children who will hit another child while the enabling mother repeatly tells them "don't hit."
Keep yourself safe. =D
     
    05-02-2012, 11:44 AM
  #8
Foal
Just be honest with her, tell her you are taking your own trailer, and you would love to share to save money with the price of gas, however vet bills for your horse would be quite a bit more than gas if something were to happen and it's too dangerous. Maybe it'll be a wake up call for her that she needs to work on her horse's behavior.
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    05-02-2012, 12:26 PM
  #9
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Tell her exactly what you told us and be sure she knows why you do not want to haul with her and her spoiled horse. I would remind her that she has a dangerous animal and in the eyes of the legal system, she is responsible for any injury to people, horses or equipment that it causes. Once she knows (which she now does since her horse injured someone) that her horse is dangerous, it rises to the point of 'gross negligence' and she is responsible for all costs associated with this horse's actions a well as any money a court awards for punitive damages.

First time it happened -- "Shame on her horse!"

If it happens again -- "Shame on her!"
     
    05-02-2012, 03:20 PM
  #10
Super Moderator
Rather than, when the horse pins its ears at yours, cantering it, get the rider to give it three really HARD cracks with the whip behind their leg, that will A) stop the horse from even thinking about kicking when ridden and B) get it cantering and know why it is cantering.

I would also set it up with it being tied in the cross ties and and your mare near - when he went to kick then he would have a couple of hard lashes with my hunting whip. This would be as he lines up to lash out.

I WILL NOT EVER HAVE A HORSE THAT DETERMINES THAT IT CAN KICK AS AND WHEN IT WANTS AT WHATEVER IT WANTS!

I will not mess around, it will learn a lesson the hard way - kick out and you get it back from me.
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