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        05-03-2010, 03:17 PM
      #11
    Trained
    Very good post, Koomy.
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        05-03-2010, 03:53 PM
      #12
    Weanling
    I would never back up a horse under saddle that is having rearing issues........my mare young mare was stubborn and when you asked her to go forward she simply refused......then if you asked with the whip she would kick out at it and then the next step was to rear......so I was always already turning her with the inside rein when we got to this point......and if she tried to rear I would pull her nose around to my inside leg and kick her to move her butt over......I would do this until I felt her give sideways willingly ..........then I would release the inside rein and ask forward very quietly if she did not go as asked I would take the inside rein again and repeat........it usually only took a few repeats and she would give in......now all I have to do is squeeze the inside rein and she knows if she takes it any farther what the consequences is. The trick is to make it easy to go forward and difficult to refuse.......turning them on a tight circle and moving them sideways is difficult.........going forward is easy.

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        05-03-2010, 06:27 PM
      #13
    Foal
    Thank you guys for all the very helpful advice!! I am glad everyone has so many different views. I have not finished reading them all but I think I am going to go back to the ground for now. I think freeing up her legs would really help, because the day she flipped over when I was making her back up, I really felt that she froze up, now. I thought before maybe she got tangled up but my boyfriend said that like buckled her back legs and she flipped because her front legs were going back and not her hind legs. I am going to work on her moving around just from the ground before I try these things on the ground. She already is pretty good at it, but I think I will go back to ground work for a while longer.

    I will be back in a while, I have to take my brother to work. Thanks again guys, really!!
         
        05-09-2010, 04:19 PM
      #14
    Foal
    Quote:
    No bucking is not normal. If started well the horse will not buck, rear, bolt, or whatever. Punishing her for rearing or bucking in this situation will surely worsen. She rears and bucks because she's stuck, not because she's naughty. Therefore, using eggs or balloons or whatever ridiculous things are out there will heighten her fear and you'll have much bigger problems on your hands. PLEASE get help, you owe it to your horse.
    My thinking exactly.

    Now, I may be only sixteen, but I have already started two horses and two ponies. Is it unsafe? Hell yes. But then again anyone starting a young horse would be unsafe. Now, if I didn't know what I was doing then, yes, that would be a complete disaster. But since I have the guidance of a well trusted trainer, I know that it sure is a heck of a lot safer than even an average adult rider starting a horse themselves. I'm not saying that you are an average rider, because I haven't ever seen you ride. But from the way I'm reading it, you do seem like you don't have much experience in this area.
         
        05-09-2010, 05:47 PM
      #15
    Trained
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Madyson    
    My thinking exactly.

    Now, I may be only sixteen, but I have already started two horses and two ponies. Is it unsafe? Hell yes. But then again anyone starting a young horse would be unsafe. Now, if I didn't know what I was doing then, yes, that would be a complete disaster. But since I have the guidance of a well trusted trainer, I know that it sure is a heck of a lot safer than even an average adult rider starting a horse themselves. I'm not saying that you are an average rider, because I haven't ever seen you ride. But from the way I'm reading it, you do seem like you don't have much experience in this area.
    If done correctly it is not terribly unsafe. It's much more safe than riding a bike on a road or train. It's safer than roller blading or snowboarding. Theree were a half dozen people killed this winter snowmobiling. If you are properly prepared and have some help available when you need it then it is not unsafe. If you are depending on the good nature of the horse and dumb luck then you will get in trouble.
         
        05-09-2010, 08:20 PM
      #16
    Foal
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by kevinshorses    
    If done correctly it is not terribly unsafe. It's much more safe than riding a bike on a road or train. It's safer than roller blading or snowboarding. Theree were a half dozen people killed this winter snowmobiling. If you are properly prepared and have some help available when you need it then it is not unsafe. If you are depending on the good nature of the horse and dumb luck then you will get in trouble.
    That was what I was *attempting* to say.
    You just worded it a whole lot better, aha.
         
        05-10-2010, 04:59 PM
      #17
    Foal
    Again, thanks everyone for the feedback. Nicky has been doing a lot better, and I must say, it probably has a lot to do with you guys opening my eyes a little bit. I got back on the ground and had her moving off her front and her hind quarter smoothly, as well as moving off light pressure. I asked, and continued to ask until she wanted to do it, instead of making her do it after one or two times that she didnt, probably because she was confused on what I was asking.
    I got a new bit as well, which is helping a lot. The other bit was long and even when I had my bridle on the smallest setting, it still sat to far down into her mouth. The curb chain I have on her is a little tiny to big as well but I couldnt find one any shorter at the store yet.
    The only thing I don't like about the bit now is that I have to be a little rougher to stop her etc, but since I got her, I have used a lot of vocal ques along with the other ques. I think she likes that a lot better, now that she knows what they mean.
    I use a lot of leg pressure instead of mouth, now, well. I did before as well, but when she started acting up, I tended to use the reins more.. so I am being more aware of that. Also, using bodyweight and posture to turn her so I can keep off her mouth.

    Today we had a really nice ride! I was happy! Ha, but usually I ride alone... and there was another horse that came in like half way through and she put her ears back at first but I encouraged her to be nice and stop it. She got lots more comfortable working and FOCUSING with another horse in there. With working with her, I constintly have to regain her attention. I see her looking and listening outside noises, etc, and that's another reason why I use vocals, because she ends up keeping her attention on me.

    She hasnt even attempted to rear, lately, but maybe I didnt make it clear before, but I know it had something to do with me. I knew I was riding or asking her to do things wrong. She is a lot different then any other horse I have ridden, but I think we're coming together as a team and I am udnerstanding what she needs from a rider more. I just hate it when people are always so negative here. I don't expect people to be completely positive, I know by posting this, I am looking for advice... but advice isnt "you suck, put her in training and go read a book loser" that's how a lot of people come across, to me. Not really you guys, but with a lot of different threads on this site.

    Ha! Yesterday we were trotting and she moves out great when I am posting. I was trying to not post before, and just move with her body to keepo her slow, but, she likes direction. I am starting to think she'd make a great english hunter or pleasure horse. If I keep a little bit of constant ppressure on her face and continue to push her with my legs and body, I think she has a lot more confidence if what I want her to do.
         
        05-10-2010, 07:51 PM
      #18
    Green Broke
    What kind of bit are you riding her? The fact that you just said "curb chain" implies you have her in a curb - and if you're having to be rough with her already, you have a serious problem. And a likely explanation to her rearing on you. No horse should ever be started in a curb - it's strictly a neck reining bit and most horses don't learn that for a couple rides anyway, and if I've got a horse that's rearing I WANT a snaffle in where I can yank them into a spin if they're thinking of rearing. Trying to yank a horse down in a curb is going to cause a flip.
         
        05-10-2010, 08:03 PM
      #19
    Foal
    No I am not using a curb bit. I am using a full cheek snaffle.
         
        05-10-2010, 08:14 PM
      #20
    Green Broke
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by BMUNCH    
    No I am not using a curb bit. I am using a full cheek snaffle.
    ...then why are you using a curb chain?
         

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