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        05-10-2010, 11:17 PM
      #21
    Trained
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    Originally Posted by MacabreMikolaj    
    ...then why are you using a curb chain?
    I always use a curb chain on my snaffle so that it can't pull all the way through his mouth. It's probably unnecessary for a full cheek but it won't hurt anything. You really can't cause a horse to flip over. A horse does it by choice not by accident. A rider can't accidently cause a horse to go over if it doesn't want to.
         
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        05-10-2010, 11:21 PM
      #22
    Green Broke
    I understand what you're saying kevinshorses, but I tend to disagree. Flipping over is pretty serious - most horses have better instincts to save their own hides then to go to such an extreme behavior that puts them in harms way. If she's rearing to avoid the harsh action of a curb, and the rider gets scared and tightens up contact in mid-rear, I think it's safe to say it could be the cause of the flipping.

    In this case I am most likely wrong, but when she said curb strap and a new bit having to "get rougher" with it, I thought it may be a clue as to the behavior.
         
        05-10-2010, 11:30 PM
      #23
    Started
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    Originally Posted by kevinshorses    
    I always use a curb chain on my snaffle so that it can't pull all the way through his mouth. It's probably unnecessary for a full cheek but it won't hurt anything. You really can't cause a horse to flip over. A horse does it by choice not by accident. A rider can't accidently cause a horse to go over if it doesn't want to.
    I use a curb strap on my D ring snaffle. It doesn't hurt the horse in anyway, I only use mine because it keeps the rings from moving. I'm with you on this one. Unless the strap is extremely tight it shouldn't have any effect on the harshness of the bit.
         
        05-11-2010, 12:05 AM
      #24
    Weanling
    You can most definitely cause a horse to flip. Pulling on the mouth with both reins at the wrong moment, in certain cases of course, can cause a horse to go from a rear to flipping over backwards or falling over sideways.
    If I am using a curb strap I generally do not use a chain but either a genuine curb strap or a scrap piece of leather. But to each his own, I suppose.
         
        05-11-2010, 12:57 AM
      #25
    Foal
    I changed my bit because I was using a wonder bit, which is used for gaming to "lift" the horse around the corner. I changed to a full cheek snaffle because it is mostly like a snaffle, with a little more guidance. I am a beleiver in the curb chain as well. But me getting harsher is, I think, the change in the bit. She isnt used the pressure and what I am asking because it is queing her differently. This bit is less harsh then the other, which is my entire point, because I don't want her to have a mouth of steel. I want her to be soft and responsive. I see progress in her though, maybe I'll make my boyfriend video tape us one day.
         
        05-11-2010, 07:21 AM
      #26
    Started
    I've never ridden in anything but a snaffle. I agree with you though. Riding with a harsh bit, if the horse doesn't need it, just makes the horse resist more.

    I take that back.. I rode Guns in a tom thumb for the first time on the trail. The reason being I knew how he would act and I wanted a little more control for the first time. Once he gets more used to riding on the trails I will hopefully change it back.
         
        05-11-2010, 12:26 PM
      #27
    Weanling
    Was the wonder bit the bit you used to start her? Or had you originally started her in a snaffle?
         
        05-11-2010, 02:43 PM
      #28
    Foal
    I started her with the wonder bit, and it actually worked out really well until we started advancing, so I just moved my reins from down on the shanks, to the rings, which ends up making it almost exactly like a snaffle. It probably would have worked out fine it the bit was about a half inch to wide for her and the bit was too "long" for the bridle, so it kind of sat in her mouth. I could have poked more holes in my leather, but then it would make her browband fit funny, so I just bought a new bit
         
        05-11-2010, 03:11 PM
      #29
    Green Broke
    You started her in a leverage bit that was too big for her to begin with? No ofense but it sounds to me like you might not need to be starting a horse if you don't even know the proper equipmint to start a young green horse in... Just my humble opinion. Hope everything works out for you.
         
        05-11-2010, 10:57 PM
      #30
    Weanling
    Yeah, a curb chain has zero action on a snaffle bit, it does work great for keeping the rings from being pulled through the mouth though.
         

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