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        04-12-2013, 07:09 PM
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    Yearling
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    I can't seem to get Chance to focus on me during our ground work. Currently, he has two modes: belligerent fool, and nervous nancy.

    The prior is when he becomes very rude, kicks, rears, pins ears, etc. the latter, all he can think of is getting back to his buddies, spooks at everything, snorts, and just untrustworthy.

    I was dealing withbthe prior mode for a while until we did some lunge work, and I had to get at him with the whip for kicking out. Well, that fixed his problem of diverting me. So now he has settled into being nervous

    For the love of me, nothing I do can get his attention. The lights are on, but no one is home. He moves his feet, side passes, backs and everything, but does so absentmindedly. I get lots of licking and chewing, but still no focus.

    He is extremely impatient. I tied him for ten minutes post ground work and all he did was paw. I fear tying him and leaving because he can undo the knot.

    My instructor said he is going to work him some time next week because of this problem, so that might help, but I can't figure out what to do with him.
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        04-12-2013, 10:14 PM
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    Weanling
    If his mind is somewhere else, I would say you are not working him hard enough. As for the licking and chewing you can teach your horse that if it licks and chewes it gets a break. You need to teach him that when you have his UNDEVIDE attention then and only then will he get a break. When you are lunging him or round pinning him change directions alot. Keep him unsure as to when the next command is coming. Your horse doesn't see you as being all that importent, the fact that he is not with his friends is more importent then what you are asking of him. You are the most importent thing in your horses life you need to act like it and teach him that being destracted is not exceptable.
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        04-12-2013, 10:22 PM
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    As for leaving tied, if you tie back to the halter with the loose end it's much more unlikely he can set himself free.
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        04-12-2013, 10:26 PM
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    I agree with Cowboy Bob. If the horse is not paying attention to you - GROUNDWORK HIM. Groundwork is making sure the horse has all his attention on you and on nothing else. Yea, he will turn his head and look and maybe whinny. But he needs to be able to gather all his attention to you. If he is whinnying, rearing, or something, give him something to do. If you keep your horse busy and have variety in your groundwork, he will not have time to think aobut the other horses. IF he does, you aren't giving him enough to do.
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        04-12-2013, 10:34 PM
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    It really does come down to what Bob says; you have to be more important than the outside draw of his attention. If his buddies are really important, then you have a lot to do.

    Have you worked with him at liberty in a round pen? Has he ever really , honestly joined up wiith you? I say honestly, because a lot of horses kind of know the drill and they turn in and follow you around, but if you sent their feet off away from you, they'd leave you mentally. Or, if the buddies started calling, they'd leave. Honestly being with you means that his attention might go off there for a sec, but the smallest noise or movement on your part will draw it back.

    The trick then is to DO something with it. Most of us don't think far enough ahead in what we are doing wtih the hrose on the ground (or in the saddle , for that matter) to be able to really LEAD with committment.
    So, before you ask him to move out, think about what you might do next.

    Really good hrosemen dont' need to plan it out movement by movement. They can see waht the best next choice would be. But, for most of us everyday horse people, we need to be prepared with something, so the horse isn't just standing there while we twiddle our thumbs, and he leaves us there (mentally).

    I do not say that you can't just have the horse stand , from time to time. And, some horses need MORE time to "soak" on the things you are doing, and if you don't give them time, they get confused and resentful.
    But, I get the feeling that Chance is the kind that if you don't have the next moove up and ready to go, he'll take over the show pretty darn quick.
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        04-13-2013, 05:27 PM
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    Weanling
    Tinyliny!!! You nailed it as I was reading your post I kept thinking I was going to quote that line then the next line then the next line. OP think really hard about what Tinyliny said.

    "The trick then is to DO something with it. Most of us don't think far enough ahead in what we are doing wtih the hrose on the ground (or in the saddle , for that matter) to be able to really LEAD with committment.
    So, before you ask him to move out, think about what you might do next."

    So often we go on a horse and let the horse take us for a ride. We only try to really lead when things start going wrong. Thank you Tinyliny, you gave me some great things to remember when I ride and when I am teaching.
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