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post #11 of 20 Old 06-18-2008, 12:38 AM
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Have you lunged him with the saddle? If not, try this and see if it causes him to buck etc like he did when you rode him

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post #12 of 20 Old 06-20-2008, 03:08 PM
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Originally Posted by Jubilee Rose
In my opinion, this horse sounds like he needs A LOT of work from the ground up and needs to learn the very basics. If he's a rescue horse, and you don't know his background ... from what you're saying, he sounds very very green. Not trying to sound mean or anything, but I think you should see about getting a trainer to help you work with him. If you don't know how to be correcting these things (and believe me, I wouldn't either) then a trainer who can work one on one with him, building him back up is what he needs. That's great though that you have a rescue horse. I just don't know if right now it's entirely safe for you to be working with this horse. You don't know where he's from or anything. You said he has great manners otherwise right? That's great to hear. But I would definitely suggest getting someone more experienced with handling green horses to work with you, or maybe even do a half-lease. Again, not trying to sound mean, but I really think some basic but disciplined training from an expert is what this horse needs; some sort of regime to get him on track. Good luck though and let us know how to it works out. :)
You're right on the money. Gaining respect through correct groundwork is indespensible. Horses that buck or rear under saddle are usually lacking some very important fundamentals that can be laid down with ground work. Chris Cox has some good info out there about dealing with bucking horses.
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post #13 of 20 Old 06-20-2008, 10:19 PM
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it sounds more like a back pain/saddle fitting issue to me.
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post #14 of 20 Old 06-21-2008, 12:07 PM
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Especially because you don't know anything about his background, you should start his training from scratch.

Go back to desensitizing, build a bond with him, learn to understand each other. Once you have the basics down and the beginning of a bond, start off with ground work.

Rescues can be such a risky business. Remember that his current behavior is directly due to how he's been treated up until that point. He isn't at fault for anything. He can only do so much with mishandling and a lack of training.

Make sure you get a vet check done as well just to make sure he is comfortable and not suffering in any way. Pain can really change an animal's behavior.
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post #15 of 20 Old 03-02-2011, 06:54 AM
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SOunds like you have your hands full here. Basically, you want to get this pony going well on the ground, he and YOU should be able to walk trot canter and you want these to be relaxed. Look for signs of tightness around his mouth and eyes, is the trot flowing or tight , same on the canter and in both directions. If your not getting this on the ground then you sure as hell won't see it from the saddle. Training the horse is only part of the equation, we all need to be able to give and ask at exactly the right moment and that takes us being trained, have a look for a clinic near you, it's time and money well spent, 2 days would see a great change for you and your horse - we never stop learning!

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post #16 of 20 Old 03-02-2011, 01:17 PM
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I used to BUY horses like this and retrain them. I had some wild rides.

I would take this horse back to zero and retrain from the ground up like he had never been ridden before. Just retrain.

His reaction to the spur is not uncommon in a green horse and most rescue horses have been ridden so little that redoing the whole process can only give you good results. Long lines, Lunging, ground work, reintroducing tack .. the whole begin again thing.

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post #17 of 20 Old 03-02-2011, 09:34 PM
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Your problem lies in the fact that all you are doing is walking...you need to be committed to making him work; from day one you should have gotten him to w/t/c...now he's got it firmly set in his mind that all he needs to do when a rider is on him is walk, which has only created a very hard horse. I highly doubt he was 'abused' with the spurs...he is just evading the pressure in the only way he knows how. He may not have even been broken in in the first place and you've just been fortunate not to have been thrown from him prior.

Go back to the basics with this guy; lots of ground work...make sure he knows how to bend, back, etc, from the ground before getting back on.
In your ground work, make sure to do ALOT of upward and downward transitions. Round pen and Lunge line work; W/T/C... make sure your body is as "active" as it needs to be in order to get him to learn that when you are asking for an upward transition, you mean NOW! Start soft (click and raise your arm, if no response, raise your whip or stick, if still no response smack that bum with the whip; as soon as he responds bring your arm back down a bit...don't continue nagging him. )

When you can get consistent responses from the ground, then go back to the saddle work, and use the same type of system; click...no response, squeeze with legs...no response spank with crop. once he responds leave him alone. He may take off faster than you want at first, but this is OK...just stay with him, and let him figure it out. The more transitions you do each time you ride, the better. Never just get on and walk him...this just makes a horse lazy, and dull to cues. That is just my opinion as a trainer, but just make sure you try to do as many transitions as you can when you ride, so he doesn't just get used to one gait in particular.

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post #18 of 20 Old 03-03-2011, 04:06 AM
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by now i think the problem would've been resolved.
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post #19 of 20 Old 03-03-2011, 12:15 PM
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Ground work. What's his riding background? It's possible he's so green he simply doesn't understand that leg means go and trot means trot. He got confused and gave you a unfavorable, yet understandable, reaction.
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post #20 of 20 Old 03-03-2011, 10:24 PM
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Oh dear, I just realized the date of this...

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