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    01-27-2008, 01:41 PM
He's Ignoring me!

I've finally get my horse broken to the saddle again after a month or so of working with him and he's great. He loves to be ridding, he walks right up to the mounting block. He stands quietly for mounting and doesn't take off until I ask him to. He's 8 years old and fully broke, well he used to be.

The new problem. He is totally unresponsive to stopping, backing, and sometimes turning. He wants to do what HE wants to go where he wants. He will listen when I squeeze to go faster or something like that but he won't stop so I have to basically just "quit" riding so that way he gets something is wrong and will slow or stop enough for me hop down. He is giving to pressure wonderfully on the ground and we join up and he respects me on the ground. He strives to please me but its so frustrating in the saddle! I rode him with a rope halter, a regular halter, and a bridle w/ a eggbutt. He used to give to the bit WONDERFULLY. He would turn great and stop and backup and now all of a sudden he ignores me and walks to the gate and stares outside no matter what I ask him to do. He ignores everything I ask him to do. Sometimes he'll turn for me and sometimes I can get him to stop if I use both voice and rein commands and I'm very VERY persistent. He used to be VERY light and no one has ridden him except me. We had an incident with the saddle and he became afraid of saddles. He would let me bridle him and ride bareback but NO Saddles. I fixed that but with our break from riding he became unresponsive. Sometimes we are okay and sometimes I can't even ride him because he's not riding with me.

What do I do? I can't see my trainer for another two weeks and I don't want to let him go without riding him for two weeks because he is the type of horse who needs daily riding and attention.
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    01-27-2008, 01:55 PM
You always have an emergency stop: take one rein and bend the horse's neck back towards your toe (on either side) and spin him in a circle until he slows down and eventually stops.
What happened to make him afraid of saddles?
    01-27-2008, 05:40 PM
You always have an emergency stop: take one rein and bend the horse's neck back towards your toe (on either side) and spin him in a circle until he slows down and eventually stops
Sorry this is kind of off topic, but, I would have to disagree with you there... when I was 15, I rode, and trained race horses for some pocket money... Anyway, I rode a horse, he was a bolter, and so many pple told me to turn his head to your toe, if he doesnt pull up... I followed there advice one day when he bolted, and I turned his head to my toe, while he was at a flat gallop, and he just kept on galloping around and around, with his muzzel almost touching his side.. And I also know of a Appy doing it to a young girl in Maryborough, and she got hospitalised...

Horses can run, with there head to your toe, its uncomfortable for them, but if they have some where to go... nothings going to usually stop them...

Sorry about that... just yeah. :roll:
    01-27-2008, 06:26 PM
Green Broke
Actually I agree with JustDressageIt. I think the first thing a horse should always know is how to do a one-rein stop. Starting at the walk, then trot, then canter. Take your hand around and plant your fist on your hip, don't let go until rhe eleases the pressure on the bit. (watch him carefully for ANY sign of giving to the pressure) You may walk around and around in circles or just stand there for several minutes with his neck bent.. but they will start trying different things to see what will let them straighten back out: moving their haunches over, pointing thier nose up and down, etc and finally chewing and licking, then pointing their nose closer to you to let go of the pressure. As soon as he does that, release the rein and give him a big pat. It's 1) an emergency stop (he'll know it as a cue if you teach it to him before an emergency arises) and 2) since you're teaching him to release pressure it's a great first step on teaching him to submit to the bit and one day go on the bit again. You must keep your hand fixed in one place to properly teach him, and keep it low (on your hip) or there is a danger of flipping him. Remember to sit square and deep in your saddle.

So what's the history on this horse? Sounds like he's not trying to necessarily be bad. More clueless so he's ignoring your cues because he doesn't know they're cues. You may just have to start him from the very beginning and just forget where he was before and what he knew before. You really can't compare! Pretend like he's completely unbroke and teach him every little thing step by step. I do think restarting a horse takes less time then starting from scratch.
    01-27-2008, 07:04 PM
Well the saddle incident happened at my old barn.This girl who was in love with my horse used to mess with him and wanted to desensitize him to saddles. I had NO idea this was going on and by the time I found out the damage was done. He was already broke and great and I have no idea why she did this but she thought she was helping I guess. She was only like 13 but I was still furious. She was taking the saddle and throwing it at him to make him unafraid of them. Well she did this until he was completely in a panic and then stalled him and never TOLD me about it and I had to find out later. I moved him out of the stable a few days later and he the girl had written me an apology. It only took me a month to get him to let me saddle and ride him again with them.

I've never started a horse but I've finished a few before. Will it be extremely difficult to do without my trainer or do you think I could handle it without her for a few weeks? He's gentle and he hasn't been dangerous before except for a bit of bucking when I first started riding but that's been behind us for a long time.
    01-27-2008, 07:39 PM
Oh wow.. that's awful. I could NEVER dream of messing around with someone else's horse without them knowing, Gah I would be SO mad...

Anyways, upnover did a great job of explaining the one-rein stop so I won't write another novel...

I think that he just needs to be taken back to square one, and with your trainer, slowly bring him back to where he was. I don't think it should take too long, having said that, you don't know what damage has been done mentally..

Sorry I can't help more, I'll post agin when I think of something... till then keep us updated!! And good luck!
    01-27-2008, 07:47 PM
I'm sry but you NEVER NEVER NEVER EVER get off of your horse because he is doing something wrong or not listening. If you do this you are teaching him that every time I do this she will get off.

Also about the whole thing of turning your horse when they are running to make them stop you shouldn't turn their head tightly all the way to your knee because if a horse is stubborn enough and tries to keep going he can get off balanced and flip just a warning. So sometimes its best to just ride it out and punish once he's through. He will stop somewhere.
    01-27-2008, 07:57 PM
Green Broke
My Advice

Whenever I would complain to the trainer I ride colts for that they're ignoring me I get yelled at. It's always "he's not ignoring you, he's testing you. You have to re-evaluate what your doing and get him to do what you want him to." Even though it may not seem like it at the time it really is true. I know this because I'm guilty of doing it multiple times.

And then for the one rein stop. For a horse to be able to respond to this it is essential to teach them how to flex their head. If they can't the one rein stop means nothing because almost no one can out muscle a horse. We train our horse to think that if they're head is flexed that no matter what they can't get away. It really helps on those scared colts on windy days!!
    01-27-2008, 09:35 PM
So sometimes its best to just ride it out and punish once he's through.
I suppose there are occasions were that is the only option but generally IMHO the only way to stop a problem is to prevent it from happening.

Being one step ahead of your horse if you can.

If you feel he is going to turn one way turn him before he does it himself. Same as if it feels like he's going to stop , stop him before he does it himself. That way its you doing the controling not him.
Be aware of what you are doing as not to confuse him. And keep things interesting.

Also maby using a wip and leading him in hand do some pressure exersizes. By applying a bit of pressure on his side with the wip, bout were you foot would be when riding and ask for some circles. Then jump on and reinforce that.

Good luck. :)
    01-27-2008, 09:45 PM
Green Broke
Bitless is so right! I've had that drilled into me sooo many times. Believe me it helps. I used it on a 16 y/o gelding that hadn't been ridden for YEARS. He was lazy and wanted to be in charge. I just kept a step ahead of him and made him do what I wanted him and not what he wanted to. At first I had to kick him and kick him for him to go, but after awhile he realized I was boss and I barely had to touch him for him to do what I wanted to.

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