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        01-28-2008, 12:38 PM
      #11
    Yearling
    He is doing a little better because I got off and did some ground work. I reinforced the training I had done with one rein stops and flexing. I will surely try some of the pressure exercises. I worked on stopping and backing since that is a big issue. Then after my ground work, I got back on. My horse is very forward, I don't even think backward is in his vocabulary so I did some intense work on that.

    Every time he walked when I didn't ask him to or didn't stop when I asked him to, I continued to ask him until he stopped and then I backed up to the point where I had him standing or where I first asked him to stop. I was watching him and he was really just being naughty with stopping! He just didn't want to stop so he didn't stop. So, I made him WANT to stop by making him do more work by NOT stopping. :) It worked very well and now he stops great.

    As for turning, ugh. I did an incredible amount of work on this. I pulled with increasing pressure until he gave in the slightest and then gave immediate release. It was like completely teaching a horse to give to pressure all over again. I have gotten him to a point where he is workable but it's a real work out for me to do a lot of turning. He will turn but he is no where near light. I am so confused how this could happen. I was riding him about two maybe three times a week for a month... which is very minimal for me since I was rehabilitating him with the saddle as well as keep his mental state in check with my trainer and then for about a week I didn't ride because I injured my hip down some steps and I was rather stiff. I'd at least saddle him up and do work at least so he didn't forget all of our saddle training but then his give to pressure went down the tubes incredibly fast.

    I'm going out to see him, I will try the pressure exercises that bitless suggested.

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    I'm sry but you NEVER NEVER NEVER EVER get off of your horse because he is doing something wrong or not listening. If you do this you are teaching him that every time I do this she will get off.
    What if your horse isn't listening and you feel unsafe? Would that be an exception or should I try to correct the problem THEN get off?
         
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        01-28-2008, 04:50 PM
      #12
    Weanling
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    Originally Posted by Abby
    He is doing a little better because I got off and did some ground work. I reinforced the training I had done with one rein stops and flexing. I will surely try some of the pressure exercises. I worked on stopping and backing since that is a big issue. Then after my ground work, I got back on. My horse is very forward, I don't even think backward is in his vocabulary so I did some intense work on that.

    Every time he walked when I didn't ask him to or didn't stop when I asked him to, I continued to ask him until he stopped and then I backed up to the point where I had him standing or where I first asked him to stop. I was watching him and he was really just being naughty with stopping! He just didn't want to stop so he didn't stop. So, I made him WANT to stop by making him do more work by NOT stopping. :) It worked very well and now he stops great.

    As for turning, ugh. I did an incredible amount of work on this. I pulled with increasing pressure until he gave in the slightest and then gave immediate release. It was like completely teaching a horse to give to pressure all over again. I have gotten him to a point where he is workable but it's a real work out for me to do a lot of turning. He will turn but he is no where near light. I am so confused how this could happen. I was riding him about two maybe three times a week for a month... which is very minimal for me since I was rehabilitating him with the saddle as well as keep his mental state in check with my trainer and then for about a week I didn't ride because I injured my hip down some steps and I was rather stiff. I'd at least saddle him up and do work at least so he didn't forget all of our saddle training but then his give to pressure went down the tubes incredibly fast.

    I'm going out to see him, I will try the pressure exercises that bitless suggested.

    Quote:
    I'm sry but you NEVER NEVER NEVER EVER get off of your horse because he is doing something wrong or not listening. If you do this you are teaching him that every time I do this she will get off.
    What if your horse isn't listening and you feel unsafe? Would that be an exception or should I try to correct the problem THEN get off?
    i think you are doing good so far what works for you is good and what bitless said was also another good thing.

    I still say you should stay on but if it comes to you absolutely feel unsafe at all means and might get terribly hurt then get off. I know how you are feeling because I still can't seem to ride my horse bareback right. He is fine but he starts wanting to do this or that and well now he has it stuck in his head that if he acts as though he is going to buck or rear he can get me off because I got off once when he did that. So that's one of the main reasons I say don't get off. See I knew when I did this that I shouldn't but I felt that if he did buck or rear I wouldn't stay on so I tried to prevent it by getting off. So now i'm screwed trying to find out how to stop him in that and I don't want you to have those same type of situations. I just say if you absolutely know you wont make it through his little fit then sure get off but you are going to have to take a long time and find a new solution after that and it will be hard.
         
        01-28-2008, 06:36 PM
      #13
    Weanling
    How is your hip now ? Does it still get stiff?

    Purhaps sometimes if it still gets stiff it may result in you bloking him with your lower body when you go to turn him. If you are using your hands more to turn him at that point you are in effect just turning his head not his body so he's just going to kinda play or not take what you are asking seriously because he hasnt been given more clear directions on what to do.


    Sounds like you have made some good progress tho. Well done.
         
        01-28-2008, 07:38 PM
      #14
    Foal
    A horse that won't stop is disrespecting you totally. Mine used to do it. When I ask for the stop (in rope halter), and he takes a while to stop or ignores me, I immediately one rein stop and then back him up....hustle his feet backwards.....until he takes about 5-10 steps (not 1 or 2)....ask for walk again....only let him go few steps. Ask for stop - if he doesn't stop on a dime, one-rein stop, back him up again. Keep doing it over and over. He'll soon get the message that if he doesn't stop when asked, he is going to have to work harder and go backwards.

    If he keeps wanting to go back to the gate or his pasture, make him work harder as you approach the gate - ask for a faster gait before you even get to the gate. When he does the right thing, leave him alone. When he does the wrong thing, make him work harder. Only allow him to take a break in the furthest corner of the ring, nose in the corner. He sounds a bit barn sour, as is mine...he'd rather sleep than work :)

    All of the above really helped me with my horse. He is a bit stubborn but super quiet and mellow. I have been mistaking his "mellowness" for temperment, thinking he is SO quiet and mellow....but honestly, he is being rude and disrespectful. I only ask him to "work" a few hours a week, so when we work, I expect him to work. Then he gets to rest. Good luck :)
         
        01-28-2008, 08:17 PM
      #15
    Green Broke
    One rein stops can be very usefull tools. I used them all the time on an onrey horse I was ridding. He wanted to keep going and go where he wanted to. Once I did a one rein stop each time he tried it on each side he stopped right away. All I had to do was enforce the fact that I was in charge not him.
         
        01-29-2008, 09:46 PM
      #16
    Yearling
    Thanks for all your help guys. I tried some pressure exercises but the wind was hurling against the barn making spooky noises and crazy rattling sounds that knocked a few barrels over since the door was iced shut and I couldn't get rid of the draft. My horse was on edge because of that and it was incredibly hard to get him to concentrate very long between gusts without him jumping around and trying to run off every few minutes so working on anything bareback would have had my face in the dirt so I did that minimally, maybe about ten minutes before I figured it was safer to stay on the ground.

    I am a little stiff in my hip but I have been doing stretches and exercises to improve and I'm almost good to go except every once and a while if I swing my leg a certain way or move a certain way it can tighten and hurt but not enough to render me useless.

    I worked greatly on one rein stops, lateral flexion, and lightness on the bit from the ground. I'd send him out in front of me with long reins and start by giving a light cue, where I want him to be, and increasing pressure until he gave and then I backed him up to where I originally asked. I continued to do this to where he was stopping within a few steps instead of plowing around the arena once or twice before heeding. I was so proud of the results I let it go so to not over work or be counterproductive to my success.

    What else could I do to improve on this? He's still not stopping as quickly as he should and his turning is getting better but he is STILL obsessed with the gate no matter WHAT I do. I don't use crops or whips or stud chains. I use a rope halter and and a carrot stick with a savvy string (Parelli training) but he is totally unphased when I try to drive, porcupine or send him away. I tried making him walk past the gate and if he stopped he had back up ten or more steps and then I'd walk him in a circle and walk past the gate again but he stopped EVERY time even though I did this for almost an hour until not only was I frustrated but he was frustrated and I couldn't take it so I moved on to something else before I got angry.
         
        01-30-2008, 08:28 PM
      #17
    Green Broke
    Just a question. Do you own the Parelli DVDs? Watching those would probably help. It sounds like you're doing good. I can't help too entirely, but I can give you the advice I know I would get if I were in that position. Lunge him aroung in front of the gate and if he tries to stop cause him to keep going. If he keeps doing it start over anticipating. You know he's going to stop and maybe even turn to the gate, so speed him before he gets there so he won't do it anymore. I've done it with horses who enjoy going to close to a fence post and bump my leg up against it. After doing that they stopped and I don't have bruised knees anymore. Hopefully your hip feels better. I know what that kinda stuff is like.
         
        02-01-2008, 12:41 PM
      #18
    Yearling
    I don't own them but I've watched the entire level 1 pack before. I have a parelli trainer here in my town but she's gone for two weeks. And I only can afford one session a week.
         

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