He's Jumping 3'11" with 0 training... how much higher do you think he can go? - The Horse Forum
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post #1 of 17 Old 10-11-2011, 05:13 PM Thread Starter
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He's Jumping 3'11" with 0 training... how much higher do you think he can go?

So we were playing with the appaloosa gelding at my barn who is about 16hh and built like a warmblood. And I'm pretty sure in another life he must have been a 3 day eventer, because he throws random dressage moves into his daily antics, and can jump like his tail's on fire.

Just the other day we were lunging him and I decided to ask him to jump. I've only jumped him like this once before, and from the conversations I had with one of his previous owner, he did a little bit at his old home but apparently plowed over more jumps than he cleared.

But we tossed a pole in front of the jump where we suspected he should take off to clear the jump and welll... he cleared it. So we put the jump higher... and he cleared it again. And before we knew it he was jumping higher than any other horse I've ever worked with - I work at a dude ranch so I know that doesn't mean much but I was still impressed.

So anyways, we went up to 3 feet 11 inches... and actually once he jumped just over that. And here's the kicker, the brat wouldn't get into a canter for the jumps... he was staying at a speedy trot.

So I wonder, for a horse with no real previous training, and nothing really in the way of muscle tone, how high do you think he could go with propper training and muscle tone?

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post #2 of 17 Old 10-11-2011, 06:41 PM
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How far can he go?

How about nowhere since he is not in any shape, nor has he been taught (your statement) to be jumping jumps that high, and will most likely injure himself if you keep "playing" like this.

Jumping involves more than putting an obstacle in front of a horse.

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post #3 of 17 Old 10-11-2011, 07:03 PM
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I can't tell you how high he'll be able to go, because with much professional training he may be able to jump very high. That said, if you know how to train a horse for jumping, you should start him with smaller jumps to build up his butt muscle before asking for higher jumps. If he jumped a little at his last owner's place like you said, a 3' jump isn't terribly high for a 16h horse. Just pay attention to him and see if you're pushing him too much.
And remember, even if he loves clearing high jumps, it doesn't mean it's physically good for him. I take care of a 25yo, out of shape, 14.2h mustang mare, and if she had it her way she'd be clearing 3'6" jumps all night. Just weigh out what's good for them and what makes them happy.
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post #4 of 17 Old 10-11-2011, 07:12 PM
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What the others said. What the horse has done is far from impressive. There are halter-bred Quarter Horse two-year-olds who can clear a five-foot fence from a standstill in the roundpen when they've got a mind to do so. It's not really a good, or a rare thing....but it is something that's likely to injure a horse who has not been carefully conditioned and trained for it.
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Not sure, but if you're interested in finding out you should get him in a regular fitness program and some training. I'd be interested in seeing what you find out
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Okay so I guess the next question is what is a good working jump to start building his muscles in the right places? I've started looking for instructors in my area, and would like to start building the proper muscles. Too low and he trots it... Too high I know can damage his joints and such. I guess im more impressed because I've never met a horse who seems to enjoy it like this guy. I don't want to hurt him, but I admit id love to see what he's capable of.
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I'd say you need to do dressage for about a year maybe two then you could do trot poles and cavalleti. You don't build the proper muscles by jumping him. You build them by riding him in the proper frame.

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post #8 of 17 Old 10-11-2011, 09:42 PM
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I am a little confused. WHo does this horse belong to? You do not refer to him as yours, but as a horse at your barn. But you feel free to jump him like this and are looking for a trainer? Is he yours? Do you lease him? Just curious.

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Work on Dressage, loads of dressage. If you insist on jumping - do trot polls or very small jumps. Find a coach, who knows what they are doing and can't teach you and your coach. If he's just trotting over smaller jumps, I'd look into a rider error, or training faults. Depending on how small these small jumps actually are though.

I much prefer watching a nice horse jump small than a sloppy horse who risks an injury jumping 3'11ft.

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post #10 of 17 Old 10-12-2011, 08:15 AM
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any horse with a bit of spirt in it can chuck themself over a big jump put that together as a course with some dog legs oxers ect will he do a course I think not?

Not to sound rude think you are being very immature a horse with no defined muscle tone or experience in jumping and your lunging him over fences of this height humm? School the horse ride it from your hand and your leg build up some top line before you start doing silly things like you are I bring on showjumpers as a living the horse will become injured if you keep on at doing what you are!
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