Hindquarter/Fronthand turns

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    08-17-2009, 04:31 PM
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Hindquarter/Fronthand turns

I can do a turn on the hindquarter one way and a turn on the front hand the other. I'm really confused on my cues. Can someone spell it out for me? (For both)
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    08-17-2009, 05:45 PM
Turn on the haunches (TOH)
(Front legs of horse move in a larger circle than the hind legs. Hind legs maintain the same steps - I.e. Do NOT stay rooted on the ground but if in walk maintain a walk rythmn, hind legs stay in a circle about the size of a pie plate.)

Can be done 2 different ways, depends on horse reaction. Suggest you start teaching horse with a 1/4 turn, then a 1/2 turn then a full (360 degree) turn or pirouette.

#1 On a straight line place horse in shoulder fore (SF) position. When you get to where you want to initiate the turn do a half halt (HH), place more weight on inside stirrup, then every time the outside front leg starts to step forward do a HH on the outside rein and bring both reins slightly inside. Make sure your inside leg and hip stay in SF position so horse BENDS their body around that leg.

#2 On a straight line place horse in Haunches In (HI) position. When you get to where you want to initiate the turn do a half halt (HH), place more weight on inside stirrup, then every time the outside front leg starts to step forward do a HH on the outside rein and bring both reins slightly inside. Make sure your inside leg and hip stay in HI position so horse BENDS their body around that leg.

Turn on the Forehand (ToF)

In this case you can teach it to the horse from the ground - just be certain to teach horse on BOTH sides of it's body.

Stand next to horse with small object like a spur (not a big nasty one - spur more like your pinky finger in size and shape).
Starting on left side, take inside rein and bend horses neck left while pushing spur into horses side just slightly behind where the girth would go and clucking. The minute the horse takes even 1 step away from spur then stop everything and praise. Eventually work up to horse keeps stepping away from spur (or hand) until you stop. Make sure spur is "pulsing" not just jabbing into side of horse. Think push/stop/push/stop in time to a walk beat.

Repeat on right side.

When all is perfect from the ground try on horse back. Thing here is when you use one leg horse might try to step forward but keep horse looking to left when using left leg and squeeze/release to prevent horse from going forward.
    08-17-2009, 10:39 PM
I'm assuming you are doing this in a western style (mainly for the turn on the hind end), and assuming the horse knows how to do the maneuver.

Hindquarters to the right - This requires moving the shoulders, so I am taking my reins to the right - this can either be a neck rein or a combination neck rein and direct rein. My left leg is at the girth pushing the shoulders over to the right. Remember it is a forward motion maneuver. That means I will walk and trot my horses in and out of this maneuver, and if we are having difficulties I will always push them out of it to the front. I will also be walking or jogging a slow circle and pull them back a bit to stop the hind end but keep the front end moving around themselves. I hope that makes sense ? Anyways, here is a video of me on a very green broke horse as he was learning how to turn on the hind end. It's not perfect, but shows the cues and how you ask for it. Towards the end you can see how I use the walk out and circle method some. Oh, and the reason he was on the wrong foot was because I still didn't have enough forward motion. Here's a video where it is working right with minimal cues.
For turns on the foreend, to the right (head goes right, hind end goes left), you keep the front end still with your hands and use your right leg to press the hind end around. Sorry, but I don't have a video of that.

Just remember, as you are learning the turns you only need a couple of steps, or even one step at a time.
    08-17-2009, 11:24 PM
Sandsarita- is that you in the second vid> if so, is it in expo square??
    08-18-2009, 07:19 AM
Originally Posted by sorelhorse    
sandsarita- is that you in the second vid> if so, is it in expo square??
Yes, it is me at the OKC Fairgrounds main arena
    08-18-2009, 09:43 AM
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I havent watched the videos yet (I'm at work and have to make sure I'm alone). I am so confused.
    08-18-2009, 09:43 AM
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Oh... and he has been trained, he knows how to do it, I have to be screwing it up. I'm asking him to turn one direction on the hind end and he's turing the other direction on the front end, which means my cues are screwey!!!
    08-18-2009, 12:03 PM
Sandsarita what show was that? Because I go to tulsa OK all the time for the PWC show.
    08-18-2009, 12:10 PM
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Sandsarita those videos were awesome! I think they are going to help me TONS! THANK YOU! Now, one question, I use spurs (he's spur broke) so do I NOT touch him with the spur at the girth or do I? I can't wait to go home and try this!
    08-18-2009, 12:19 PM
Definitly at the girth, just behind it for the haunches.

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