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post #21 of 67 Old 10-26-2013, 02:03 AM
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Originally Posted by AlexS View Post
Nope don't know that stuff, and think it's terrible advise. You have an aggressive horse, and you are suggesting someone gets on the ground behind it?

Once your horse vet checks out, assuming all is ok, it needs a come to Jesus meeting.

I think they didn't mean aggressive horse.
Just a scared/timid one, whereby you just have to show them you are not a threat.
With aggressive horses, depending on the reason, you have to show them you're in charge, not that you're not a threat.
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post #22 of 67 Old 10-26-2013, 02:04 AM
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Originally Posted by Northern View Post
The scenario I described was: 50 yards away, when horse is wanting to get away from you, head over the fence. Come on, you guys know this stuff.
Nope, don't actually know this stuff..

I know that the only horse in my herd who gets away with being aggressive to the others is the boss man, until I am out there, and then he knows to quit it, because then I am boss man and I will kick his butt for him if he starts.

If a horse is met by someone trying to be his buddy, he will assume that he is still the herd leader, and will MAYBE quit the aggressive behaviour, because he is secure in his role as leader over you. Trouble is now you have an even bigger and potentially more dangerous issue, because you never know when he will decide that it is time to put you in your place.

Seriously trying to be a buddy to an aggressive horse is very dangerous advice to be sharing on the internet.
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post #23 of 67 Old 10-26-2013, 02:05 AM
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"About 2 months ago he was less excited to get out of his stall. He started to show me his hinds I would approach his stall. (form of aggressive behaviour obviously). Did not really pay to much attention to it...kept on training him."

What do you mean, "did not really pay too much attention to it"? What did you do when he turned his heels toward you?

I'm guessing there were other signs of disrespect that you did not attend to that began to add up to a horse who thought he could challenge your authority and win it for himself.

"I am very reluctant to take the crop and teach him a lesson. That should be the last resort I feel. (mainly because he might hurt and this would obviously be the worst thing to do then)".

This also worries me to hear you say you won't use a crop to correct him. how will you correct him? He knows better than to threaten to kick or buck. He needs to be told NO clearly and immediately when he is dangerous and disrespectful.

This is what I wonder and infer from your problem description. You are the problem with this horse. You have been focused on his athletic performance while letting his respect slide, like the parent with the 4.0 kid who is a brat.
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post #24 of 67 Old 10-26-2013, 02:19 AM
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Originally Posted by farahmay View Post
I think they didn't mean aggressive horse.
Just a scared/timid one, whereby you just have to show them you are not a threat.
With aggressive horses, depending on the reason, you have to show them you're in charge, not that you're not a threat.
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this horse isn't scared or timid, it's aggressive from what is being described.
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post #25 of 67 Old 10-26-2013, 10:07 AM Thread Starter
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Appreciate the input...

I do agree that I perhaps failed to check his aggressive behaviour in the past (him showing me his hinds)...but the same time as soon as I approached him he was fine. Unfortunately the horse is out of the barn it relates to that.

The bucking was not confronted right away...because at first it was figured there might be medical issues. (and medical is for sure not dismissed at this point)

As one poster put long as he is aggressive on the ground....nothing good will happen under saddle...completely agree.

Reading all of your responses has helped quite a definitely refocused my attention on what needs to happen.

To answer previous posters about my 7th horse...also frequently have been riding other peoples horses...typically as a favor to them.

So...thanks to all of you. I think I will check out of the conversation now...will continue to read the replies. So...even if you don't see me posting anymore...I still appreciate the feedback.

I will also keep the thread open and post in 2 or 3 weeks as to what has happened.
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post #26 of 67 Old 10-26-2013, 10:16 AM
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Bucking should always be confronted even if it is a medical issues (of course without causing the horse further damage) because they learn it's OK otherwise. Best of luck.
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post #27 of 67 Old 10-26-2013, 11:12 AM
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Originally Posted by Northern View Post
The scenario I described was: 50 yards away, when horse is wanting to get away from you, head over the fence. Come on, you guys know this stuff.
Nope, I don't ascribe to the 'crouch down like a predator about to spring' method in order to approach ANY horse, much less a frightened or aggressive one. Horses are not dogs or cats. A predator crouching means attack, not friendly.

Besides, you want to appear LARGER to an aggressive horse, not smaller. Great way to get your head kicked in if you're suicidal, but not so great for actually dealing with bad behavior.

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post #28 of 67 Old 10-26-2013, 11:27 AM
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I will be interested to hear what evolves over the next few weeks. Obviously the medical is being checked out, so that's great.

The feed has been discussed, but has the feed changed since the training has changed? More work means more calories and more absorption required. I don't honestly think that missing minerals would cause this behavior, but I would ensure the horse is receiving free choice minerals and salt.

Turn out to be increased - yes.

But, I too see that this is a respect issue. The horse doesn't want to come out to play on YOUR terms, he wants it on HIS terms. That's a no go. I would stick to focusing on respect at ALL times from this horse and to a T. Absolutely no lee-way for poor behavior. I would also avoid the canter for a while. Let him forget about the bucking while you enforce respect. Once he is back to his previous happy and respectful self, then bring back the canter because at that point you will once again have the upper hand.
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post #29 of 67 Old 10-26-2013, 11:57 AM
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Friendly & safe aren't mutually exclusive states!

If that means being 50 yards away & crouching on the ground if you sense the horse is uncomfortable with your height, that's what you have to do. That shows you're sensitive to the horse; you're friendly. If it means waiting there with infinite patience till the horse finally steals a curious look at you from the position of hiney to you & head over the fence, then REWARDING that by retreating, rather than approaching, which ruins it with pressure, then that's what you have to do.

This type of thing is what OP might have to do to get horse DEEPLY OK INSIDE again. DEEPLY OK INSIDE & the human being the deeply ok "spot" is the goal.
Maybe I am reading this wrong - but why would you need to go to such an extreme that could potentially put a person at risk to show a horse you are not threatening? Horses are masters at reading body language and if you try too hard like described above you go past reassuring them and make them way more suspicious. If fear is the issue here (which I doubt that is the problem from what is described) a relaxed but confident stance is going to get you much further with a scared horse than crouching. Its like the people who tip-toe around their horse while trying to introduce it to a saddle blanket and wonder why it ends up flipping out and then stare in awe when someone confidently flaps it around not hiding or sneaking it and end up tossing it on with little issue.

One thing I would do with this horse is add a calming supplement with magnesium and copper to the diet. Its cheap and can help if there is a diet issue, but won't hurt if this isn't the problem.

If this horse is aggressive and thinking he is boss then you have to show confidence at all times and make him believe he has to listen to you or else. It can be dangerous at this point if he already thinks you have his number because he may be willing to go further than other horses to hold his leader spot. I would suggest getting help from a good trainer at this point that will work with showing you proper timing to put pressure on this horse safely to get his respect back. The key is a trainer that will work with you and the horse.
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post #30 of 67 Old 10-26-2013, 12:06 PM
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Interesting thread.
That's a lot of horse to get aggressive!
Maybe a blood draw will show something. It sounds like you are doing all you can in the medical/chiro department. If there turns out to be no physical reason for his behavior change then I guess it's time to take the bull by the horns, so to speak, and instruct him as to who is running the show.
Please keep us informed and we wish the best for you and your horse.
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