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post #1 of 28 Old 01-18-2010, 03:07 PM Thread Starter
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Horse breeders, NOT

Yesterday I met a young girl who came to do a days stock work with us. She is a nice young thing I liked her. She was riding her little black QH mare that is on the property to have a QH stallion put over it. I have met the girls parents once or twice a over the years on various horse treks.

Her mother is an EXTREMELY nervous rider, the sort that if you try talking to her on a ride you end up babysitting her because she clings on "Don't leave me, Please!". The girls father is recently taken up horse riding and sits in the saddle like a sack of potatoes while hanging on via the horses mouth. I watched as the girl groomed and saddled her mare yesterday. She never brushed her rump or tail ( which I filed in the catagory of Suspicious) and the horse jumped around while she tried to do up the girth and the breastplate. At morning tea, lunch and afternoon break she couldn't tie up her horse because she can't, it won't tie at all. And during the course of the day the horse reared and charged and I found out she doesn't go behind it or brush it's bum because, yes, it does kick.

So her parents have sent their fourteen year old daughter out into the world on a horse that kicks, fights and brawls with her. The girl is doing the best she knows but doesn't seem inclined to know more.

The best thing of all, these people are now breeding horses and training horses to sell! Doesn't that rip your undies!!

Isn't it amazing to think that as fast as good people are trying to teach people and horses how to get along in harmony their are people out there manufacturing potential horse problems. You wonder where all the badly trained horses keep coming from and then you meet people like this.

It does my head in.
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post #2 of 28 Old 01-18-2010, 03:12 PM
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Poor girl! :(

I can't believe her parents don't even care! She could get severely hurt D:

It makes me pretty mad too /:
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post #3 of 28 Old 01-18-2010, 03:17 PM
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Great observation Kiwigirl,
This is just what has been happening in this country for too many years and that is why we are going to be like India soon with the horses walking through the streets.

It is some kind of phenomenon that I am still trying to get my mind around and have no way to explain it.

It would be different if there was actually any money in it or a profit to be made.

If you figure it out please let me know.
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post #4 of 28 Old 01-18-2010, 04:15 PM
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Originally Posted by kiwigirl View Post

The best thing of all, these people are now breeding horses and training horses to sell! Doesn't that rip your undies!!

It does my head in.
One of the things I like about this forum is the interesting turns-of-phrase that come from other countries.

I could see these people getting into breeding because you can make up for what you don't know with a fat bank account but training is another thing entirely. I know people (and some on this forum) that think that because they have ridden a horse for the last 2 years that they can know train horses for other people. If they were great at what they do or you could see they had made thier own horses better that would be one thing but they seem to get stumped on the simple things which makes on wonder what they are missing. Some things are so easy to fix that it shouldn't require any help to figure out. How many times have there been post on here about how to get a horse to move forward on a lunge line? If you can't figure some of these things out you need more education.

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post #5 of 28 Old 01-18-2010, 05:11 PM
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This last fall I attended a clinic on an invite from a friend and as we sat in the audience a horse was led in by a woman that had owned the horse for about 7 years.
She stated that she had been taking lessons for the entire time and was under the direction of a professional trainer.
Her primary complaint was that the horse would not stand for mounting.
I turned to my friend and whispered "This should be good for about 5 minutes".

Here is a person that paid 200 dollars a day for a 3 day clinic and bless her heart for trying so hard(I really mean that) and the horse was standing quietly in 3 minutes....SOLID!
Now she is one of the good ones because she made a commitment the get help and seek education.
Just think of all the amateurs flailing around messing up horses across the land with partial information gleaned from RFDTV or their girl friend on the Internet.

I know ...everyone has to start somewhere,but that does not mean that you teach yourself how to fly in your back yard because someone gave you a Lear Jet.
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post #6 of 28 Old 01-18-2010, 10:04 PM
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The problem with clinics and trainers though is if you are lucky to get really good one. I asked the trainer once to help me out with my paint (yes, I have no shame to look for help if I need it :) ). This guy was recommended to me by several people, he gives clinics and lessons in the Equestrian center, 30 whatever years of experience with horses etc. Well... He couldn't deal with horse himself (not sure he was scared or what) nor he could give any good advise how to deal with the problem (it was trailer issue). I still had to pay him for nothing though. End result - I asked for the help from another trainer who came out and actually got the job done.
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post #7 of 28 Old 01-19-2010, 12:05 AM
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People like that give all the good trainers of the world a bad reputation. I have known people that said "I would leave my horse wild before I send it to a trainer to have them mess it up". Unfortunately, I know too many people like that. There is a guy here in town that is a "trainer" that at the first flick of the tail or stomp of a foot, he is diving for the ground. A friend of mine sent one of her horses to him for 30 days a few years ago and when she got back her supposedly "trained" horse, he ran off with her, she fell, and it **** near killed her.

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post #8 of 28 Old 01-19-2010, 02:50 AM
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I always cringe when I come across people like that; especially when it's a child involved...The students I work with are nerve wracking to say the least, as well...they "think" they know how to handle and train a horse, but when you observe what they do, and say "why don't you try this instead?" all you get is a blank stare like "what? how dare you criticise my horsemanship!"

"The ideal horseman has the courage of a lion, the patience of a saint, and the hands of a woman..."
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post #9 of 28 Old 01-19-2010, 03:44 AM Thread Starter
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I think the thing that I have really come to believe- and this is largely because of so many helpful people on this forum, is that a well behaved, respectful horse is not a luxury, it is a requirement. I have also learnt that a well behaved, respectful horse is attainable if you are willing to put in the time and be willing to learn techniques that have been proven to work. It amazes me how people are willing to put up with and even expect a level of bad behaviour from their horse and make no attempt to change that behaviour at all (or more importantly Their own behavior!).

This may sound strange but since I have joined this forum and learned the names of different trainers, researched these people, bought and read books, watched YouTube clips of various trainers, I am now looking at horses and horsemanship in a totally new light. I am learning new things and schooling my horse in different ways, she is getting softer and so well balanced. The difference in my horse in just a couple of months is unbelievable. We did a days stock work yesterday, it had rained the night before so the tracks were very slippery. It was the first time that I felt comfortable riding her on slippery hills, her balance is so much better and I felt like she really knew where her feet were. Even though we did slip and slide it never felt like she was going to lose it and fall over (which she was doing a few months ago). She just feels so collected and I don't know if this is crap but I feel like we are really starting to move together as a team.

My point is that this is the sort of relationship I want with my horse, I love the fact that if I get off my horse to open a gate I can keep the reins looped over her head and she follows me through the gate and waits for me to get back on, I don't have to lead her. Yesterday in the holding pen, I was doing some bits from the ground, setting gates and whatnot, Phoenix plodded around with me for fifteen minutes, I wasn't leading her, she chose to be with me and 'help'. I guess I just can't understand anyone who doesn't want to have this type of relationship with their horse. How can anyone who likes horses not want to have an amazing, mutually satisfying friendship with their horse? Why will some people not do Whatever it takes to achieve a great bond with their horse?

Now that I know how things can be, why would I have it any other way? Why do other people not feel the same way?
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post #10 of 28 Old 01-19-2010, 09:44 AM
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Keep up the good work.
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