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        02-26-2013, 09:21 PM
      #31
    Weanling
    Thanks for all of your help and advice everyone!

    I have found a local trainer who is able to come out to my barn, but now I just have to check with my BO that it is okay with her that I am having someone come to the barn to help me. We are basically a family facility (non-show barn with no trainers, just a bunch of loving horse owners) so I don't know if they will be accepting of a trainer coming in...I do not own a trailer yet so I am not able to travel to the trainer, so hopefully this works out! Wish us luck!
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        02-26-2013, 11:31 PM
      #32
    Yearling
    Good luck! It'll be fine!
         
        02-26-2013, 11:51 PM
      #33
    Green Broke
    It should be fine to bring a trainer in for your horse. Usually it is a problem when the trainer brings other horses or clients there, not just helping a boarder.
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        02-28-2013, 05:40 AM
      #34
    Weanling
    A lot of good advice for a variety of problems, some of which may apply in your case, some probably not.

    My immediate impression, upon reading your opening post, was that something was bothering the horse. The indication is that he wasn't doing this on the previous rides. Just started on this ride. Something has changed. Find out what it is and fix it, before you try to get on.

    My first thoughts were that maybe you had something caught in the cinch, or a piece of oats or something stuck in the saddle pad. Another problem I have seen that causes horses to get like this sometimes is over-tightening the cinch. This is particularly a problem with inexperienced riders, and interestingly, mainly with women. Now I'm talking about western style saddles. It seems many people don't understand how much of a strength-multiplying effect that two or three wraps of the latigo through the cinch ring gives a person. Overtighten the cinch on a green horse a few times and he will get "cinchy" and start to dislike being saddled and cinched-up.

    After eliminating all those factors, I would go with Cherie's advice.
         
        03-15-2013, 03:41 PM
      #35
    Weanling
    Just thought I'd update you all on his progress!

    I have had my trainer out 4 times in the past week and a half and his progress is incredible. She said his ground work is great and I did a good job training him so far which made me feel better. Since he had all of his basics down pat, she started long lining him to start working on his top line a little before riding and he caught on extremely fast...he acts like he has been doing this all of his life. He is very eager to please and is extremely smart and catches onto things very, very fast.

    Today he had his first ride since he threw me. I recently bought a barrel saddle and we rode in that instead of the english saddle I was riding him in before. Plus it is similar to what he was being ridden in at his previous home so maybe it felt more familiar to him. While my trainer walked him she kept him busy with circles and bending him both directions and when she wasn't keeping him busy that's when he would tense up...he didn't like just walking around without having to think. He also gets distracted/antsy by the gate of the arena because he thinks if he goes by the gate its time for him to leave, so we are working with him on that and we don't dismount by the gate...we're going to dismount in a different spot everyday and then we hand walk him a bit or lunge him for a circle or two and then we are done. Just so he doesn't think that right when we get off he gets to go to the gate and leave. We are going to switch things up every time so he keeps his mind off of the gate...thats the root of his problem. He wants to be back outside with the herd and he knows that the gate to the arena leads him back to his buddies.

    I hopped on for a couple minutes after my trainer and it felt so good to ride again. We did a few circles and bending and I hopped off and called it a day. I'm very proud of him, and happy with my trainer. I haven't had a lesson/ridden since right before I got him in December (minus the couple times I rode him prior to getting thrown) so I'm a bit rusty which doesn't really help him much either...We're going to continue our lessons and hopefully have our trainer out 3 days a week.
         
        03-15-2013, 06:37 PM
      #36
    Yearling
    Just caught up with this thread. Good for you, making the commitment to your horse. Where are the pics ;)
         
        03-23-2013, 11:38 PM
      #37
    Weanling
    Training was going so well and then he decided to turn into a bronc again...

    We had a PERFECT ride on him and we go to ride him 2 days later (I wont ride him without my trainer there) and she went to get on and he took off bucking before she could get her other foot in the stirrup (I know...he won...he got her off). We lunged him hard after his bucking fit until his head was dropped almost touching the ground, then she got back on and just sat there for a minute and then got off and he didn't even flinch...he acted like nothing happened.

    We checked the saddle fit before we got on, nothings pinching...its making even contact throughout his back (the sweat pattern is even when we take the saddle off). He's not lame...hes perfectly sound...and he has no soreness in his back from what I can tell. I ran my fingers along his spine putting pressure and he didn't react to it at all, he seemed to enjoy it. The vet looked him over in December and gave him a perfect bill of health, and he has had his teeth floated in January so that isn't an issue. He's long lining very well, lunging perfectly, has all of his basic ground work down pat. He has a couple good rides and then he will act out like this, then have a good ride and then do this again...

    We are going to take a step back and take things slow again. We are going to do long lining when she comes out (I don't want to hurt him attempting it all by myself...otherwise I would do it regularly) and work him until he's tired and then sit on him at the end of the lesson, hop off and call it a day. Also when I am working him alone I am going to lunge him as usual and switch things up everyday (raised trot poles, lots of changing directions ect, just to keep him focused) and practice having him stand still at the mounting block and me put weight into the stirrup (I spent a ton of time doing this before I ever rode him and he was great but now he isn't as reliable). I'm going to get a new bit as well, D-ring snaffle with copper rollers, which I'm hoping will help with his busy/anxious mind...he has a very soft mouth and I don't want to ruin it by switching to something harsh. I used this bit with a little arab/qh that had a busy mind and it did wonders for him...I really like this bit.

    Everyone's been a bit squirrely with it being spring and the weather warming up so that isn't helping much either...plus he's starting to show signs of becoming herd bound which I think is playing a huge role in this as well.

    Wish us luck with the rest of our training...its going to be a bumpy road but I'm not going to give up on him.
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        03-24-2013, 12:01 AM
      #38
    Yearling
    I didn't read all the posts from other people, so may be repeating thoughts, lol. You are the one that got yourself dumped, not your horse. Do not EVER get on a green horse when they are already using signs to let you know they aren't wanting you on. Your horse was telling you strongly that he wasn't ready for you to get on. If he ever won't stand still, you need to move his feet until he decides standing still might be the best option for him. Also, with a super green colt like he is, do not change up what you've been doing with him, ie. Getting on without lunging.

    When I broke horses for other people, I'd tack them up and let them hang tight on a pole or the walker, then work them until they were attentive(The most important part), then would go about making sure they weren't going to dump me or act silly, like flap the sturrips and pull on em, pat all over, make noise, jump up and down beside them, flex them, etc. Getting on a green colt cold turkey is just asking for trouble as you haven't warmed up their minds and gotten them ready to work with you.

    Everyone is right that you let him win 100% that night. Not working the sweat out of him and walking/lunging him UNTACKED did absolutely nothing. If the situation ever happens again, get those feet MOVING like you mean business, Immediately. Do not stop until he shows that he is ready to work with you, then do a couple groundwork exercises/desensitizing, do all the prep work to get on, THEN and only then, get on. I also never get on a colt the first few rides unless he is flexed towards me. As they progress, ill flex them less and less til they aren't flexed at all.

    Remember that as nice and cutesy as you think this colt is, he just proved he is more than capable of hurting you and will, if you don't immediately correct him now, before he gets much worse. 5 rides mean nothing on a colt if they weren't productive rides where he wasn't solely attentive, being respectful, and listening to you. Green riders on green horses tend to lead to trouble more often than not. If this is your first time breaking a colt, get a trainer to help you break him. You'll have a nice riding horse in no time =)
         
        03-24-2013, 12:16 AM
      #39
    Yearling
    Lol, oops, sorry! Didn't read til the end to see that you've already started fixing your problem =) Good luck!
         
        03-24-2013, 07:59 AM
      #40
    Super Moderator
    You need a different trainer. The one you've got is no better at reading this horse than you are. When she got him worked enough to get him sweaty and hanging is head he needed a 2 hour ride -- hard ride. He needed loped for about 5 miles.

    Get a trainer with the ability and guts to ride him on after a good hard warm-up. Backing off and taking more time is not going to do a thing for him. It is only going to cost you more money and you are still going to get bucked off any time he feels like it.

    Your 'trainer' should be getting on in a corner (his head in the corner or in a small 12 or 15 foot pen. She should be taking his head away from him and backing him up when she first gets on. She should have him 'limbered up' enough that he will give his head any time she runs her hand down a rein and asks for it. She should have a little 'over-check string' run from his bit, through his halter just behind his ears and hooked behind the saddle-horn with a double half hitch. Then, he at least can't get his head down. JMHO
         

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