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    11-24-2008, 03:33 PM
My horse can get this way too.
Take a dressage whip with you when you ride, and when you ask her to canter and she's too tired, pop her with the whip (I'd make sure she knows that this means go forward!) until she breaks into a canter. Horses can't buck when they're going forward, and as long as she's not in pain, this is a classic case of a horse that just doesn't want to go forward.
Use the whip a couple times until she's jumping into the canter with no buck. If she's a little fast, that's alright, don't punish her. Then try it without the whip. It should fix an lazy attitude quickly.
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    11-25-2008, 01:29 AM
Originally Posted by kitten_Val    
The problem is it's not good to start with the lope,

That is not entirely correct. Some horse warm up better via the lope or canter. My grey did. He has spavins in his hind legs and the trot requires much more strain/work than a canter/lope does. Be prepared to open your mind for the possibility that the lope may in fact be the best route as long as it can be controlled.

It could very well be that you restrained her from doing something that is more comfortable for her (lope) so she gets pissed/mad/irritated or feels she will be restrained when you are willing to do the canter that she tells you how she feels by the buck or refusal.

Not saying this is the answer but a good trainer must be willing to go against normal principles on certain horses.

My own horse is cold backed and as the result we go through a short routine to prevent a rear (what he used to do) and now it simply becomes part of what works for him. Just observation and a willingness to work with what I had in a way that works best for the safety of the rider and comfort of the horse.
    11-25-2008, 07:09 AM
Interesting... Thanks, Spyder! That's something to consider. I personally don't think she's cold back, but she certainly overexcited and likes to lope when fresh (whether we are in ring or on trail). It's not a "fly", and usually even slower than her trot. I may try to let her go for little bit to see how it'll work.
    11-25-2008, 01:22 PM
Originally Posted by Spyder    
Some horse warm up better via the lope or canter.
When I was taking lessons, there was this one little welsh pony mare that had to be warmed up at the canter. If you asked her to trot she would be off (not sure why though, I was kind of young)

But after she cantered for 5 minutes or so, she'd be fine for the rest of the ride.

But she was warmed up at the canter because she was stiff.
    11-25-2008, 06:25 PM
That is interesting, Spyder, what do you do for your cold-backed horse?
    11-25-2008, 06:50 PM
Originally Posted by DarkChylde    
That is interesting, Spyder, what do you do for your cold-backed horse?

If he hasn't been ridden for a few days a lunge is imperative. Otherwise a couple of things really. First upon mounting he faces right and all motion is to the right(I even lunge to the right first). The reason for this is because it is his weaker side so any antics will be minimized on this side. If he is a bit antsy I will hold the right rein when my young rider gets up on him and we let him circle me while I hold the right rein on the ground ( almost like in hand work). The rider pats him talks to him and gives half halts on the outside rein ( the left one) to show she is the one in control and won't bite. By holding on to the right rein I do two things...I can control a possible rear and it will overflex him to the right, in effect put him in an exaggerated bend position. The rider will take up the right rein and slowly move off to the right until the back relaxes.

If I am alone and there is no one to hold a rein then again to the right and I take contact ( walking on a loose rein is NOT an option) And again to the right circle and do any lateral movement that comes to mind...usually leg yields. Again he is overflexed. The reason is that should a rear be in the making I will have control. My horse hates to do anything where he is out of balance and when he did rear a long time ago he could sit on his haunches all day, but perfectly straight so an overbend puts the weight distribution all wrong for him. I would also like to see ANY horse rear with its back legs crossed...hence the leg yields. Again until his back relaxes (about 2-3 minutes).

After that he is perfectly normal and never offers any resistance after the first 5 minutes. All of the above was simple observation over time and realizing just why he reared. I never ever once felt he did it to get rid of the rider but because he was too tight over his back. It just took a bit of time and a willingness to do whatever it took to work with what I had presented to me.

I suppose in a way you could even call it Natural Horsemanship.
    11-25-2008, 08:43 PM
The horse might be back sore, or there might be an issue with the horses hocks. A horse that was at our barn once started bucking at the lope out of the blue, and he was back sore. Once that was taken care of the problem was solved.
    11-27-2008, 02:19 AM
My horse Tuffy gets cranky sometimes and bucks going into a lope. Then I get cranky too and work his butt.

When he starts I lean back into the bucks and load the stirups so as not to go head over tea kettle, and yell "NO!!!", wack him with the strap, turn him if I can, and settle him down, after I've kicked him a few times and cussed. Then I make him do lopes and sliding stops and turns until he gets sweating good, really turn up the heat, work his butt. Then I get off, tell him he is a good boy, and that I still love him. This seems to solve the problem.

One time we had a fight and I'd slugged him in the ribs for kicking at me when I was practicing bareback mounts.
Next day I could tell he was still out of sorts. I always saddle him untied, and when I cinched down the saddle and reached for the bridle, he walked off 15 feet and went into a full scale rodeo bronc, big hump backed bucks, steam coming out his nose and bellering. He then stood there quietly breathing hard, so I bridled him, gingerly got on, and he was fine after that. Felt like he was showing me what he might of done, but didn't, and you know I felt kind of lucky he is basically a good horse.

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